Russell Wilson a Bronco

[Pondering Her Percy]

The Denver Broncos are trading Drew Lock, multiple 1st round picks, and players to be named later for Russell Wilson.
This is HUGE news coupled with Aaron Rodgers resigning.
Kirk is now going to be trade target #1 for many teams out there thinking that they are a QB from the SB run !!!
If a team offered a young QB with some experience and multiple 1st round picks, I would be packing his knick knacks for him and sending him on his way !!!

I still think it is a pipe dream to think anybody is going to give up serious compensation for Cousins. Could some teams use him and would he be an improvement for them? Sure. Would any team be willing to give up more than a 2nd round pick for that privilege? I doubt it, at least not unless the Vikings eat a substantial portion of his deal for this coming year.

Vikes are stuck with Cousins for now. The question is, do they see Cousins as having a future in Minnesota beyond this coming season? I suspect we'll find out soon enough.

Huh? The broncos just gave up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 5th and 3 players (2 being solid) for Wilson. The Vikings could get a first for cousins with ease, bare minimum. And it’s not even a question. Wilson is definitely better but not that many picks and players better.

And before you say it, Kirk’s contract doesn’t matter. If anyone traded for him they’d easily extend him. They aren’t going to trade for him as a 1 year $45 million rental. Teams rarely keep a QBs current contract in place when they trade for them. Especially bigger named guys.

[StumpHunter]

Did the Vikings have any chance of getting Wilson? Did they at least try?

Can't believe he was available.

If you were Wilson would you want to come here? No OL he was #### about the Hawks OL. No D and then no 1st rounder for a couple of years. I imagine he would like another shot at a Super Bowl before it's over for him. Denver has a good D. The biggest problem was scoring. That should be fixed now.

The Vikings' Oline gave up the 4th fewest sacks and 13th fewest pressures last season, and were better at both than the Denver Broncos' Oline. Plus the Vikings' have the better WRs by a significant margin. Not to mention the Vikings play in a significantly weaker division.

Defense you have a point, but I don't think that is nearly as important to Wilson as what is on offense.

[StumpHunter]

I still think it is a pipe dream to think anybody is going to give up serious compensation for Cousins. Could some teams use him and would he be an improvement for them? Sure. Would any team be willing to give up more than a 2nd round pick for that privilege? I doubt it, at least not unless the Vikings eat a substantial portion of his deal for this coming year.

Vikes are stuck with Cousins for now. The question is, do they see Cousins as having a future in Minnesota beyond this coming season? I suspect we'll find out soon enough.

Huh? The broncos just gave up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 5th and 3 players (2 being solid) for Wilson. The Vikings could get a first for cousins with ease, bare minimum. And it’s not even a question. Wilson is definitely better but not that many picks and players better.

And before you say it, Kirk’s contract doesn’t matter. If anyone traded for him they’d easily extend him. They aren’t going to trade for him as a 1 year $45 million rental. Teams rarely keep a QBs current contract in place when they trade for them. Especially bigger named guys.

Assuming a team is dumb enough to give Kirk an extension after a trade, his salary cap cost would likely be around 75-80 million over the next two seasons. Wilson's will be 51 million total in 2022 and 2023 for the Denver Broncos. Kirk's contract does matter.

[J. Kapp 11]

Huh? The broncos just gave up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 5th and 3 players (2 being solid) for Wilson. The Vikings could get a first for cousins with ease, bare minimum. And it’s not even a question. Wilson is definitely better but not that many picks and players better.

And before you say it, Kirk’s contract doesn’t matter. If anyone traded for him they’d easily extend him. They aren’t going to trade for him as a 1 year $45 million rental. Teams rarely keep a QBs current contract in place when they trade for them. Especially bigger named guys.

Assuming a team is dumb enough to give Kirk an extension after a trade, his salary cap cost would likely be around 75-80 million over the next two seasons. Wilson's will be 51 million total in 2022 and 2023 for the Denver Broncos. Kirk's contract does matter.

Yeah, an extension is the only thing I could see that would stand in the way of the Vikings trading him.

If Cousins plays his usual “bet on myself” game (AKA pay me or shut up), then teams might not be willing to extend him. Which means no trade.

In the end, it probably means the Vikings will get less in return for Cousins. But I still believe the Vikings will get a deal done because I don’t believe they want Cousins long-term.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Huh? The broncos just gave up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 5th and 3 players (2 being solid) for Wilson. The Vikings could get a first for cousins with ease, bare minimum. And it’s not even a question. Wilson is definitely better but not that many picks and players better.

And before you say it, Kirk’s contract doesn’t matter. If anyone traded for him they’d easily extend him. They aren’t going to trade for him as a 1 year $45 million rental. Teams rarely keep a QBs current contract in place when they trade for them. Especially bigger named guys.

Assuming a team is dumb enough to give Kirk an extension after a trade, his salary cap cost would likely be around 75-80 million over the next two seasons. Wilson's will be 51 million total in 2022 and 2023 for the Denver Broncos. Kirk's contract does matter.

I think it's going to be more in the $60-$70 range. He's not getting any younger and that's going to have to be taken into account. And I dont see why any team that's playoff caliber but has no QB wouldnt pull the trigger there. Indy, Miami and Pitt just to name a few.

[makila]

And Wentz is a..Commander now.

[CharVike]

And Wentz is a..Commander now.

Yea. Maybe Jimmy G to Indy. NFL has a QB shortage.

[VikingLord]

Huh? The broncos just gave up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 5th and 3 players (2 being solid) for Wilson. The Vikings could get a first for cousins with ease, bare minimum. And it’s not even a question. Wilson is definitely better but not that many picks and players better.

Cousins is older, less productive and less dynamic than Wilson. While I have no doubt the Vikings could demand a 1st rounder for him at around half his current pay, at his current pay I don't see anyone giving up a 1st for him. See my further response for why I believe that.

And before you say it, Kirk’s contract doesn’t matter. If anyone traded for him they’d easily extend him. They aren’t going to trade for him as a 1 year $45 million rental. Teams rarely keep a QBs current contract in place when they trade for them. Especially bigger named guys.

Cousins' current contract establishes a floor for any extension. Any extension that would reduce his base per-year cost at this point in his career is something I doubt he would accept, so if a trade were contingent on an extension, it wouldn't happen unless the team taking him in trade is willing to pay him in kind. While the Vikings could eat some port of his 2022 cap to facilitate that trade, that doesn't make the cap issue go away, unfortunately.

All things considered, if I'm Cousins I play for $45 million next year regardless. I wouldn't take a deal where I make $45 million next year only to watch my pay cut in half playing for someone else past that point.

Cousins will drive a hard bargain here no matter who he's negotiating with. He's entering the point in his career where his value is as high as it will ever likely get, especially in a trade. He can't accept less while he's at the peak of his career regardless of what an objective read on his overall value is.

The real question is, is there another GM in the NFL today who would value Cousins as richly as Rick Spielman did and who feels their team is just a QB away from competing for a Superbowl? That would be the only possible trade partner for Cousins this offseason. I'm not sure I see a GM like that out there.

[VikingLord]

I continue to believe you’re dead wrong on this. Further, I would anticipate movement within the next week to 10 days.

I'd never be happier to be dead wrong on anything in my life than this.

In addition, the Vikings are now in an even worse position than they had been when it comes to an extension. Aaron Rodgers has set the market, and it’s now almost impossible to see Cousins accepting less than $40 million a year. Unless they see Cousins as the long-term answer at QB who merits a top-5 salary — I have a hard time believing that KAM and KOC view Cousins in that way — the Vikings have more incentive than ever to move him. They need to trade him or risk losing him with next to nothing in return.

Two main issues with trading Cousins this year are the issue you raise regarding his future salary floor and the less heralded, but equally important to the fortunes of KAM and KOC, issue of who the heck is the starting QB in 2022 if there is no Cousins on the team.

Again, I believe Kirk Cousins has less than two weeks remaining in his Vikings career. The only questions I have are what will they get in return, and who will be the starting quarterback for the Vikings in 2022?

Yeah, that would be the big question. Who would replace Cousins in 2022?

[Maelstrom88]

I think Denver won the trade but it depends on who Seattle drafts. The odds are Seattle won't get any studs with those picks while the Broncos contend for a Super Bowl immediately.

[fiestavike]

Just curious. If the 9ers offered trey lance and salary cap filler would you take it?

[IIsweet]

I would definitely do that, but SF won't.
They traded up for him as their QB of the future.
JimmyG to NO is the latest I see.
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[cogitator]

Did the Vikings have any chance of getting Wilson? Did they at least try?

Can't believe he was available.

Wilson has a no trade clause, so he had to ok any trade. Sounds like he wanted to go to the Broncos. Plus some thinking that Seattle wanted to trade him out of the NFC.

[Texas Vike]

I think Denver won the trade but it depends on who Seattle drafts. The odds are Seattle won't get any studs with those picks while the Broncos contend for a Super Bowl immediately.

Or maybe they'll pluck their next franchise QB in the 3rd round again, win a SB with him and then trade him when he's in his 30s for a massive haul of picks (again).

[Texas Vike]

This is interesting.

Doug Kyed
@DougKyed
Kirk Cousins? Malik Willis? Waiting a year to draft a QB?

Examining the Seahawks' options at quarterback after trading Russell Wilson.

My latest for
@PFF
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From the article:

Carroll “loves” Cousins, according to one source. Cousins spent the 2016 season in Washington with Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. And he’d be cheaper to acquire than Wilson was for the Broncos.

Article: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-kyed-seatt ... oncos-2022