Demi wrote:
We watched Harvin pay for years, we saw McKinnon last year, you're really going to say on the field McKinnon is faster and stronger? All those broken tackles from Harvin? I don't remember all that many remarkable plays from McKinnon last year. And they ran the same 40 time at the combine.
I have no clue where you get your facts from but McKinnon ran a 4.35 at the combine and Harvin ran a 4.41. Last time I checked, a 4.35 is faster. Also, Harvin put up 19 reps on the bench compared to McKinnons 32. Last time I checked, 32 was better than 19. McKinnon only played 11 games and only 5-6 of those games he saw legitimate touches. Go back and watch some of his plays vs. Buffalo and Atlanta. He had plenty of broken tackles. On one run alone vs. Atlanta he broke about 5.
AD and CP have both had issues with offenses, or at least it's been reported. They both have issues as receivers to different degrees. We've heard for YEARS about getting Player A and Player B on the field at the same time. But it never happens. Is it because our OCs are all idiots? I'm not a huge fan of Bevell, but he does seem to have a grasp on calling an NFL offense. And instead of getting McKinnon and Patterson on the field at the same time, Norv, a guy with decades of experience, benched Patterson for Johnson, and gave a glorified full back plenty of snaps over McKinnon.
AP has issues with offenses?? Uhhhh ok?? Once again, I have no clue where you get your information from. Like I said, I never said a thing about getting these guys on the field together but the "facts" you try to bring up are either false or make zero sense.
Over McKinnon's final 6 games he was averaging about 14-15 carries a game and the Chicago game brings that number down from about 17 because our team as a whole barely ran that game. Over those same games Matt Asiata was averaging 4 carries per game. So how is a "glorified full back" getting plenty of snaps over McKinnon??

McKinnon was injured at the end of the year so that's why Asiata's carries went back up.
I agree McKinnon is a solid guy to spell AD, or another back. And brings some things to the table. But the offseason fever is getting out of hand! Between the idea of bringing TJoke back, and getting Patterson on the field *more* after a season in which he was demoted? Along with downplaying Harvin's abilities on the field? This is MADNESS!
The only reason "Tjoke" was brought up was simply because he publicly said he wouldn't mind backing up Teddy. The only reason I would want Patterson on the field more is as a gadget player and maybe some WR at times because he finally has the same offense 2 years in a row. I personally think he would be great out of the slot.
I don't think anyone is really "down playing Harvin's abilities on the field". We all knew what he was capable of but with the ball in hands....CP is just as dangerous or maybe even more dangerous than Harvin is. They are the same type of player except Patterson is just built a lot better. Harvin was no special route runner or "WR". He was an athlete with big play abilities similar to CP. However, CP at least has potential as an outside WR....something that Harvin never had.
As for your "facts" that you bring up.....they just don't add up or for the most part, have no backing to them so I'm not sure where you're going with this.