Vikings QB of the future search list

[majorm]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. They can't take a fearful approach to the draft or to, use another cliché, a "once bitten, twice shy" attitude isn't going to solve their QB problems. If Bridgewater is there at #8 and they think he has what it takes, they should draft him without hesitation.

Oh, I couldn't agree more. They can't shy away just because they whiffed on their last first round QB pick. My comment was more in regard to what a crap-shoot drafting a QB is in general.

If Bridgewater or whoever is available checks all the boxes in what they're looking for in a QB, they absolutely should take him.

[mosscarter]

the draft is still two months away but from everything in the news lately manziel is dropping down the boards and carr is moving up. several weeks ago the consensus was carr was more of a late first rounder. i still think it will be a miracle if manziel is there at 8.

[majorm]

i hope he is

That excites you?? If Manziel is dropping like a rock, there has to be a reason for it. Do you know something the so-called experts don't? Do we really want the Vikings to jump on a guy that three or four other QB poor teams passed on?

There are just so many people that question whether Football can make his dog and pony show work in the NFL.

Oh well, SOMEBODY is going to take him and either get a star or one of the biggest busts ever.

[TheFoxInDetox]

I don't understand how Bridgewater's stock has dropped somewhat. He went from guaranteed #1 pick to now some people's 3rd or 4th QB.

I think it's the first picture you see when you google him that is causing his stock to drop Not sure what it is about it but it definitely doesn't say, "franchise QB".

If I was his PR team I'd be attempting to get this image removed from the internet at all costs.

[720pete]

He still has braces?

Speilman says Vikes may look at a day 2 or later QB.

[Purpnation]

That excites you?? If Manziel is dropping like a rock, there has to be a reason for it. Do you know something the so-called experts don't? Do we really want the Vikings to jump on a guy that three or four other QB poor teams passed on?

There are just so many people that question whether Football can make his dog and pony show work in the NFL.

Oh well, SOMEBODY is going to take him and either get a star or one of the biggest busts ever.

How can you even say that? Like really? We have Aaron Rodgers in our division.

And yet here you are with the ' If other teams passed on him, he MUST be a bust' attitude. NO, good players fall in the draft every single year.

[King James]

Why haven't I seen this thread earlier. Let's get a real winner. A great QB who knows how to lead a team to a championship. We already have Matt Cassel and AJ said he has no issue sitting behind a QB until a team decides he is ready. This guy will be a future NFL HoF, mark my words. And I have NEVER said this about an Alabama QB before.

[frosted]

Why haven't I seen this thread earlier. Let's get a real winner. A great QB who knows how to lead a team to a championship. We already have Matt Cassel and AJ said he has no issue sitting behind a QB until a team decides he is ready. This guy will be a future NFL HoF, mark my words. And I have NEVER said this about an Alabama QB before.

Bold.

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[majorm]

How can you even say that? Like really? We have Aaron Rodgers in our division.

And yet here you are with the ' If other teams passed on him, he MUST be a bust' attitude. NO, good players fall in the draft every single year.

Guys like Rogers are rare. Very rare. Sure, I know you can point to examples like him. There's ALWAYS Brady. But usually a guy's draft stock falls for a reason. And I think there are many questions about Mr. Football. I didn't say he WILL be a bust. I said he COULD be. I also said he could be a star. We just don't know.

A lot of guys that fell in the draft yet became big stars often had character questions. Like Sapp and Moss. There are a LOT of questions about Manziel's GAME. AND his character. He scares me more than anybody on the board. I'd much rather take a defensive stud at #8 and maybe Jimmy G is there at #40. His stock seems to be rising and that doesn't seem quite as risky.

Of course I could be wrong. That's why drafting a QB is such a gamble.

You know, why DID Rogers fall so far?? I don't even remember now. There were no questions about his ability were there?

[Mothman]

You know, why DID Rogers fall so far?? I don't even remember now. There were no questions about his ability were there?

One of the reasons he fell was because the teams drafting early that needed a Qb passed on him. The 49ers took Alex Smith. The Bucs took Cadillac Williams. If I remember correctly, there weren't many teams looking to draft a QB in the first round that year so once Rodgers slipped past those who were, he just kept dropping.

Supposedly, 49ers coach Mike nolan preferred Smith's attitude and demeanor to Rodgers' and that's why SF went with Smith. There were also some questions about Rodgers' throwing mechanics, deep ball and whether he was going to be another product of coach Jeff Tedford's system that excelled in college but not in the pros. Prior to Rodgers, Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller had all played for Tedford, all been drafted high and all failed to deliver for the teams that drafted them.

You can read a draft profile on Rodgers here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... 64079.html

He was viewed as a top prospect but you can see some of the questions about him too. He's answered them well!

[Cliff]

One of the reasons he fell was because the teams drafting early that needed a Qb passed on him. The 49ers took Alex Smith. The Bucs took Cadillac Williams. If I remember correctly, there weren't many teams looking to draft a QB in the first round that year so once Rodgers slipped past those who were, he just kept dropping.

Supposedly, 49ers coach Mike nolan preferred Smith's attitude and demeanor to Rodgers' and that's why SF went with Smith. There were also some questions about Rodgers' throwing mechanics, deep ball and whether he was going to be another product of coach Jeff Tedford's system that excelled in college but not in the pros. Prior to Rodgers, Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller had all played for Tedford, all been drafted high and all failed to deliver for the teams that drafted them.

You can read a draft profile on Rodgers here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... 64079.html

He was viewed as a top prospect but you can see some of the questions about him too. He's answered them well!

I wonder how Rodgers would have turned out if he had been forced into a starting role right away. How often are 1st round QBs given the opportunity to learn for 2 years before they step into action? I wonder how much that helped his success. If Rodgers had been selected by the 49ers instead and Smith by the Packers would they have ended up the same as they are now?

[Mothman]

I wonder how Rodgers would have turned out if he had been forced into a starting role right away. How often are 1st round QBs given the opportunity to learn for 2 years before they step into action? I wonder how much that helped his success.

He actually had 3 years before being asked to become the starter, although he did play most of one game in 2007. I have no doubt that time to learn helped his success. GB replaced Sherman with McCarthy after Rodgers' rookie season so since that first year, he's had the benefit of a stable coaching situation and system. He had the benefit of being able to work with the same receivers (Driver, Jennings, Jones and Nelson) for years too. Rodgers entered a very stable situation, almost a perfect situation in which a QB could grow and thrive.

If Rodgers had been selected by the 49ers instead and Smith by the Packers would they have ended up the same as they are now?

We'll never know but I doubt it. I think circumstances played a huge role in the development of both QBs.

[King James]

Captain staredown a hall of famer, ahahahaahah

If that was directed at AJ McCarron you will can never be so wrong. He has a quick release and he had great chemistry with the WRs. He knows where to place the ball before the WRs even get there. I don't know what QB you are watching.

He's better than Johnny "Overrated" Manziel. He's just a poor man's Fran Tarkenton who will probably get injured and end his career. I bet Manziel won't last in this league for more than 5 years. Once that body gets banged up, he's won't be a playmaker anymore. I remember when he got injured against Auburn last season. He injured his throwing shoulder because a defender finally put him in his place with all that running. Still made a few plays with the injury but lost the game when it came down to the wire.

AJ McCarron is a playmaker. He doesn't have to run around like a pansy to get the ball to his WR. Speaking of staredown, didn't Manziel staredowm Mike Evans a lot. Almost every big passing play I seen from Manziel was a pass to Mike Evans. And if you shut Mike Evans down, Manziel takes off running. But AJ is "Captain Staredown" oh ok.

[dead_poet]

I bet Manziel won't last in this league for more than 5 years.

McCarron may not last that long based on talent, much less injury. I will agree that Manziel's style of play lends itself to more hits. Tom Brady is as statuesque as they come and that didn't keep him from tearing his ACL. I'm just saying that injuries are unpredictable. It conceivable that Manziel's career could be just as long as Favre (who some have compared him to).

Once that body gets banged up, he's won't be a playmaker anymore.

He's shown he can be just as dangerous from the pocket.

I remember when he got injured against Auburn last season. He injured his throwing shoulder because a defender finally put him in his place with all that running. Still made a few plays with the injury but lost the game when it came down to the wire.

OK, first, that game was 49-42. If A&M had any kind of defense, what he did in that game was more than enough. He only went 28/38 (73.7%), 454 yards, 4 TDs (2 INTs) and another rushing TD. After he was injured in the 4th quarter he returned and orchestrated a 75-yard drive capped by his 1-yard touchdown run to give A&M a 41-38 lead with about 5 minutes left.

AJ McCarron is a playmaker. He doesn't have to run around like a pansy to get the ball to his WR.

Speaking of staredown, didn't Manziel staredowm Mike Evans a lot. Almost every big passing play I seen from Manziel was a pass to Mike Evans.

You're going to fault him for passing it to his best receiver? Got it.

And if you shut Mike Evans down, Manziel takes off running. But AJ is "Captain Staredown" oh ok.

For some perspective: Evans had 1,394 receiving yards in 2013. Deducting them from Manziel's 4,114 season yards still leaves him with 2,720 passing yards, 343 (or approx. one game) fewer than McCarron. Deducting Evans' 12 receiving TDs still gives Manziel 25 TDs on the season, only three fewer than McCarron. Of course, Manziel was forced to throw a ton because their defense was awful, compared to McCarron, who had one of the best defenses in college football. But some fun stats. It will be interesting to watch their careers. Personally, I think Manziel has a higher floor and ceiling (granted, he's a higher risk as well).

[PurpleKoolaid]

If that was directed at AJ McCarron you will can never be so wrong. He has a quick release and he had great chemistry with the WRs. He knows where to place the ball before the WRs even get there. I don't know what QB you are watching.

He's better than Johnny "Overrated" Manziel. He's just a poor man's Fran Tarkenton who will probably get injured and end his career. I bet Manziel won't last in this league for more than 5 years. Once that body gets banged up, he's won't be a playmaker anymore. I remember when he got injured against Auburn last season. He injured his throwing shoulder because a defender finally put him in his place with all that running. Still made a few plays with the injury but lost the game when it came down to the wire.

AJ McCarron is a playmaker. He doesn't have to run around like a pansy to get the ball to his WR. Speaking of staredown, didn't Manziel staredowm Mike Evans a lot. Almost every big passing play I seen from Manziel was a pass to Mike Evans. And if you shut Mike Evans down, Manziel takes off running. But AJ is "Captain Staredown" oh ok.

Bama Bama Bama!! lol