Purple bruise wrote:I can't get over this rhetoric about "tanking games". Of course the fewer wins the better position in the draft and I do get that BUT.... This is a business where coaches, players and the GM are all struggling to keep their jobs. They need as many wins as possible to do so. They need to put the best "product" on the field week in and week out regardless of their record.
Another important aspect to this are the season ticket holders and fans that attend and watch the games each week. Would anyone like to go to a game, spend money on expensive tickets knowing that "their team" is going to tank the game. How about the sponsers? Do they want to pour their dollars into a team that is intentionally trying to lose game...hell no.
Gambling is a multi-billion dollar business in pro sports and like it or not teams cannot intentionally lose games. It is unethical and in some circumstance illegal. Staying on that thought how do you intentionally lose a game? Do you have your kicker botch a field goal, your running back fumble, tell you players to "miss" tackles, have your QB throw intentional interceptions. If that were to happen the team would surely get fined, lose draft picks and yes even maybe lose their franchise.
As it turns out this team is doing all of those things anyway but are not doing them on purpose. All of the close losses that have happened to them are not a result of tanking games. In fact, many knowledgeable people have commented on how this team HAS NOT QUIT and plays hard every week. Kudos to them!
Some players have performance clauses based on number of games played, number of receptions, rushing yards, tackles, sacks etc. if they are healthy enough to play does anyone suppose that they would not want to? Would they want to give another player the chance to take their job away from them, hell no. Again I would remind people that this is not only a game but a business.
Saint said,
"I think your taking the term "tanking" too literal. I would be surprised if there were a fan out there that wants/expects our team to just quit and actually try to lose games. It's more from a fan's perspective, either being ok with a loss because of the draft position, or in some cases hoping for a loss for draft position."[/quote]
Seriously What message boards have you been reading? There are lots of fans saying that the Vikes are foolish to try and win games and they should "tank them".[/quote]
You sit your first and second string RBs, top 2 tight ends, and two starting corners. Guess it didnt work.
mmvikes wrote:
Saint said,
"I think your taking the term "tanking" too literal. I would be surprised if there were a fan out there that wants/expects our team to just quit and actually try to lose games. It's more from a fan's perspective, either being ok with a loss because of the draft position, or in some cases hoping for a loss for draft position."
Seriously What message boards have you been reading? There are lots of fans saying that the Vikes are foolish to try and win games and they should "tank them".[/quote]
You sit your first and second string RBs, top 2 tight ends, and two starting corners. Guess it didnt work.[/quote]
Are you trying to say that the Vikings were trying to tank the Eagles game by "sitting" AD, Toby, Carlson, Cook and Rhodes And fully intended this in a failed attempt to lose You can't be that nieve can you
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Purple bruise wrote:
Are you trying to say that the Vikings were trying to tank the Eagles game by "sitting" AD, Toby, Carlson, Cook and Rhodes And fully intended this in a failed attempt to lose You can't be that nieve can you
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic with that statement. Lighten up a bit.
many quarterbacks have been deemed backups and have made a comeback. kurt warner is a prime example. those receivers cassell had with kansas city were horrendous. look at cassell and jennings stats alone when he has started. two healthy tight ends next year and maybe add a lineman and who knows? if your calling cassell a backup then what in god's name is ponder?
Purple bruise wrote:
Who are you to tell me to lighten up? No one was talking to you were they Is that what printing in red means sarcasm?
Last I looked, this was an open forum so I can reply as I wish. So you really think he was being serious when he said to sit all those players when we all know that they were out of the game because of injuries? Sounds like you are getting too worked up over nothing and just suggesting you chill out a bit.
mosscarter wrote:many quarterbacks have been deemed backups and have made a comeback. kurt warner is a prime example. those receivers cassell had with kansas city were horrendous. look at cassell and jennings stats alone when he has started. two healthy tight ends next year and maybe add a lineman and who knows? if your calling cassell a backup then what in god's name is ponder?
So you are calling Bowe and McCluster 'horrendous' receivers? They were KC's 2 top wide receivers last year and are still their top receivers this year - they just have a better qb throwing to them this year.
You are comparing Warner to Cassel? Warner never really was a backup in the NFL except for the 1st year he played with the Rams. Before that he played in the Arena Football League and over in Europe after that. So I don't think you can use Warner as a prime example. Maybe a rags to riches example.
I would call Ponder an experiment that has failed and shouldn't even be playing in the NFL.
i'm sorry bowe is totally over rated. last year i saw him pull up on two passes against pittsburgh because he didn't want to get hit and his hands aren't that great. i'd never want him on my team i've never thought anything of him.
oh, and steve young was a back up too and he turned out to be one of the best qbs ever. i'm not saying cassell is on that level but aside from the carolina start he's looked very impressive.
mosscarter wrote:oh, and steve young was a back up too and he turned out to be one of the best qbs ever. i'm not saying cassell is on that level but aside from the carolina start he's looked very impressive.
But Young was a backup that was groomed to eventually take over for Montana. Cassel has been in the league long enough now and I think his stats prove that he is not that consistent to be a regular starter. Yes, he has had some good games this year. The Vikings originally signed him with the intention that he would be a backup to Ponder. Now that Ponder has proven to be a bust, I'm sure they will draft a qb (or sign a free agent) to be their starter. If they draft a qb, they might start Cassel next year and sit the rookie for a year, but I don't think Cassel is their long term plan for their starting qb.
We all have our opinions and you are entitled to yours just as I'm entitled to mine and in the end neither of our opinions really matter.
Last edited by Purple Reign on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Hahaha. I am laughing - still. I had plenty of laughs during the game.
Also, I am laughing at the fact that you bothered to take the time to quote my first page response, but not my 24th page response following the game. Kudos man - great job!
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HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
Hahaha. I am laughing - still. I had plenty of laughs during the game.
Also, I am laughing at the fact that you bothered to take the time to quote my first page response, but not my 24th page response following the game. Kudos man - great job!
So what is so HAHAHAHAHAHA funny, Your prediction that this game would be the Viking's worst home loss EVER And what were you HAHAHAing about during the game Kudos to you for your prediction
Do not mistake KINDNESS for WEAKNESS!
Best to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.
What message boards have you been reading? There are lots of fans saying that the Vikes are foolish to try and win games and they should "tank them".[/quote]
And fully intended this in a failed attempt to lose 
