Draft Day Question #1

[Pondering Her Percy]

I've been wanting to get some more draft day discussion going on here. I'd like to get a few questions going and get your opinions on some things such as prospects linked to the Vikings, draft day trades and scenarios I have seen lately.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I voted no-brainer here and from what I'm seeing and hearing, this trade could be a real possibility. I think this makes total sense for the organization. Next year is a good year to draft our Cousins successor and let him sit under Kirk for a year. Going into next years draft with two first round pick would give us a lot of the ammo we would need to move up anywhere we want to snag our QBOTF.

As for the 20th pick this year, we can still get a very good player in that spot. I'm thinking any of C- Tyler Linderbaum, DT- Jordan Davis, LB- Nakobe Dean or LB- Devin Lloyd.

Let me know your guys' thoughts.

[Texas Vike]

I would, contingent upon who is left on the board at 12. Or perhaps you mean in the days leading up to the draft? Either way that seems like a pretty good haul for pick #12.

[J. Kapp 11]

I voted no-brainer.

I’m not overwhelmed by anybody in this draft. As I read “The Beast,” the annual humumgous draft report by Dane Brugler at The Athletic, nobody screams “greatness.”

At 12, you should get a guy who can step in and play right away, a potential Pro Bowler. But to me, everybody outside the top few players seems to be about the same. And heck, experts aren’t even in agreement as to who the top few are.

We need a cornerback. Sauce Gardner seems to be the best, but he’s likely to be gone by 12. Stingley was great in 2019 but not since, and he doesn’t like to tackle. And is he significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful, and McDuffie might be available at 20.

I guess I’m just not that enamored with the top of this class. Might as well grab some extra picks, especially with all the top flight QBs coming out next year.

[JJBreaksRecords]

I voted no-brainer.

I’m not overwhelmed by anybody in this draft. As I read “The Beast,” the annual humumgous draft report by Dane Brugler at The Athletic, nobody screams “greatness.”

At 12, you should get a guy who can step in and play right away, a potential Pro Bowler. But to me, everybody outside the top few players seems to be about the same. And heck, experts aren’t even in agreement as to who the top few are.

We need a cornerback. Sauce Gardner seems to be the best, but he’s likely to be gone by 12. Stingley was great in 2019 but not since, and he doesn’t like to tackle. And is he significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful, and McDuffie might be available at 20.

I guess I’m just not that enamored with the top of this class. Might as well grab some extra picks, especially with all the top flight QBs coming out next year.

How is Stingley better than McDuuffie? By missing 2 years? Being injury prone? Being projected to play long and steadier as a great QB? Heck theirs 'experts' that want McDuffie before String anyhow. Booth might be around too.

This would be a great trade to play, for 2 1st rd picks with some good QB's coming up next year.

[allday1991]

I voted no-brainer.

I’m not overwhelmed by anybody in this draft. As I read “The Beast,” the annual humumgous draft report by Dane Brugler at The Athletic, nobody screams “greatness.”

At 12, you should get a guy who can step in and play right away, a potential Pro Bowler. But to me, everybody outside the top few players seems to be about the same. And heck, experts aren’t even in agreement as to who the top few are.

We need a cornerback. Sauce Gardner seems to be the best, but he’s likely to be gone by 12. Stingley was great in 2019 but not since, and he doesn’t like to tackle. And is he significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful, and McDuffie might be available at 20.

I guess I’m just not that enamored with the top of this class. Might as well grab some extra picks, especially with all the top flight QBs coming out next year.

How is Stingley better than McDuuffie? By missing 2 years? Being injury prone? Being projected to play long and steadier as a great QB? Heck theirs 'experts' that want McDuffie before String anyhow. Booth might be around too.

This would be a great trade to play, for 2 1st rd picks with some good QB's coming up next year.

Injuries happen, if you get the stingley from 2019 he’s by far the best DB in the draft. Just the 1 vs 1 of him vs chase and Jefferson speak volumes.

[J. Kapp 11]

I voted no-brainer.

I’m not overwhelmed by anybody in this draft. As I read “The Beast,” the annual humumgous draft report by Dane Brugler at The Athletic, nobody screams “greatness.”

At 12, you should get a guy who can step in and play right away, a potential Pro Bowler. But to me, everybody outside the top few players seems to be about the same. And heck, experts aren’t even in agreement as to who the top few are.

We need a cornerback. Sauce Gardner seems to be the best, but he’s likely to be gone by 12. Stingley was great in 2019 but not since, and he doesn’t like to tackle. And is he significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful, and McDuffie might be available at 20.

I guess I’m just not that enamored with the top of this class. Might as well grab some extra picks, especially with all the top flight QBs coming out next year.

How is Stingley better than McDuuffie? By missing 2 years? Being injury prone? Being projected to play long and steadier as a great QB? Heck theirs 'experts' that want McDuffie before String anyhow. Booth might be around too.

This would be a great trade to play, for 2 1st rd picks with some good QB's coming up next year.

I didn’t say he was. In fact, my exact quote is, “And is he (Stingley) significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful.”

Stingley has the reputation, and the experts believe he’ll go before McDuffie. I’m saying the experts are wrong, at least in their assessment of who’s better.

Don’t look for a fight where there isn’t one.

[JJBreaksRecords]

How is Stingley better than McDuuffie? By missing 2 years? Being injury prone? Being projected to play long and steadier as a great QB? Heck theirs 'experts' that want McDuffie before String anyhow. Booth might be around too.

This would be a great trade to play, for 2 1st rd picks with some good QB's coming up next year.

I didn’t say he was. In fact, my exact quote is, “And is he (Stingley) significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful.”

Stingley has the reputation, and the experts believe he’ll go before McDuffie. I’m saying the experts are wrong, at least in their assessment of who’s better.

Don’t look for a fight where there isn’t one.

Ahh Im sorry, you're right i didnt read that correctly. I think in the long run, McDuffie will be better.

[J. Kapp 11]

I didn’t say he was. In fact, my exact quote is, “And is he (Stingley) significantly better than McDuffie? Doubtful.”

Stingley has the reputation, and the experts believe he’ll go before McDuffie. I’m saying the experts are wrong, at least in their assessment of who’s better.

Don’t look for a fight where there isn’t one.

Ahh Im sorry, you're right i didnt read that correctly. I think in the long run, McDuffie will be better.

No worries, man.

[StumpHunter]

Absolutely a no brainer. Pitt in that division will be lucky to win 6 games and that 2023 pick will end up being top 10 next season. Their top 10 pick plus our top 20 pick will make it possible to either move up and get a guy or stand pat and draft 2 quality guys who will still be on rookie contracts by the time this team is ready to really compete again.

[CharVike]

I'm not a fan of trading down unless you get unbelievable value in return. Trader down Rick did this, without the value, on a regular basis and our roster shows how this type of strategy can back fire. The best talent is always near the top and the further you drop the further you move away from the top players. This draft appears to be paper thin but I do feel a very good player will drop to our pick at 12. I think one of the best players will be there when we pick and that's S Kyle Hamilton. This guy is a football player. Safeties don't get much early consideration but if you find a very good one they can change your defense like our own Joey Browner or Ronnie Lott. I think Hamilton is off the charts as he has a nose for the football, play recognition and will mix it up. Plus throwing over 6'4" isn't easy. If he's sitting there at 12 then the pick should take about 2 seconds to get in. That's my thought so it won't happen and I expect some type of trade down for nothing but air time on TV for our GM. The flicking through the outdated and useless pick value chart has been jammed in my head enough times that it will never come out. But if a team wants 12 then we want the farm or move along. That's how you build a roster.

[J. Kapp 11]

I'm not a fan of trading down unless you get unbelievable value in return. Trader down Rick did this, without the value, on a regular basis and our roster shows how this type of strategy can back fire. The best talent is always near the top and the further you drop the further you move away from the top players. This draft appears to be paper thin but I do feel a very good player will drop to our pick at 12. I think one of the best players will be there when we pick and that's S Kyle Hamilton. This guy is a football player. Safeties don't get much early consideration but if you find a very good one they can change your defense like our own Joey Browner or Ronnie Lott. I think Hamilton is off the charts as he has a nose for the football, play recognition and will mix it up. Plus throwing over 6'4" isn't easy. If he's sitting there at 12 then the pick should take about 2 seconds to get in. That's my thought so it won't happen and I expect some type of trade down for nothing but air time on TV for our GM. The flicking through the outdated and useless pick value chart has been jammed in my head enough times that it will never come out. But if a team wants 12 then we want the farm or move along. That's how you build a roster.

I agree with you about the idea of not trading down unless you get great value.

The problem was that Rick typically traded down to stockpile lower-round picks. That's not value in my book.

But trading one first-rounder for two first-rounders (one this year and one next year) ... that's value.

My feeling is that we'd get about the same level of player at 20 as we would at 12 in this year's draft. There's not that much harm in moving back 8 spots. I certainly could be wrong about that, but having two first-rounders next year would be huge and could easily outweigh the slight setback. With two first-rounders, you could move up pretty far because could can actually offer three (two in 2023 and one in 2024). It looks like 2023 is the next year for top-end QBs, so you could potentially move into the top 5 and get somebody with big upside and have him learn behind Cousins during the final year of his contract.

The only potential issue is that Pittsburgh has never drafted lower than 15th in the first round under Mike Tomlin except for one year, when they picked 10th but traded up from 20th to do it. I wouldn't think the Steelers would be super good in 2022 with Mitch Trubisky at QB, but Tomlin has a knack for coaching his way to a winning record, meaning it's likely the Steelers will be outside the top 15 again. We all hope the Vikings have a good season with at least, say, 10 wins. If that's the case, they'd be drafting in the 20s. So it's possible the Vikings wouldn't have enough draft capital to move into the top 5 in 2023.

I think it would be worth the risk.