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The Bad

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0. The whole bloody defense

1. Turnovers

2. WR drops

3. Poor QB play in the red zone

4. Improper use of the NFL's best running back

5. Penalties.

6. Refs.

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CalVike wrote:0. The whole bloody defense

1. Turnovers

2. WR drops

3. Poor QB play in the red zone

4. Improper use of the NFL's best running back

5. Penalties.

6. Refs.

Go Vikes!
All I'll say is the defense is going to continue to look bad as long as the Vikings offense can't sustain drives. Entering the 2nd half I think the Vikes had converted all of 3 3rd downs and the Bears had doubled them on TOP. That's just not going to cut it in the NFL.
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Thats just it when the defense can't make a freaking stop on third and long they will lose the battle of time . The defense is terrible on third down that limits the offenseive chances we get and then the offense can't convert on third down its a vicious cycle .
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There was no reason for either the defense or the offense to look this bad coming out of a bye week. Period. I don't care if we are at home or on the road. I don't care if the game is being played in North Korea. NFL teams aren't supposed to look like that coming out of bye weeks. What were we doing the whole damn time? Clearly not preparing. Jeez.

Edit: And the Bears were coming off a Monday Night game. So there's also that.
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This could become a record-breaker for longest thread ever.

You forgot Special Teams... Kluwe with the shanks, a blocked FG against us and clueless blocking allowing a punter to run it in for two.
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admvp wrote:There was no reason for either the defense or the offense to look this bad coming out of a bye week. Period. I don't care if we are at home or on the road. I don't care if the game is being played in North Korea. NFL teams aren't supposed to look like that coming out of bye weeks. What were we doing the whole damn time? Clearly not preparing. Jeez.

Edit: And the Bears were coming off a Monday Night game. So there's also that.
A monday night game on the west coast.

I missed the game today, but noticed that the vikings only recorded 1 sack. Did they pressure Cutler at all? I know the Vikings D-Line doesn't hold a candle to the 49ers DLine, but the 9ers absoutely dismantled the Bears O-Line on monday. It was like men vs. children. I thought the Vikings could have gotten to Cutler a few times.
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VikingPaul73 wrote:I missed the game today, but noticed that the vikings only recorded 1 sack. Did they pressure Cutler at all? I know the Vikings D-Line doesn't hold a candle to the 49ers DLine, but the 9ers absoutely dismantled the Bears O-Line on monday. It was like men vs. children. I thought the Vikings could have gotten to Cutler a few times.
No, it wasn't like SF although I think the line play was okay. Griffen almost had a sack early but Cutler was able to throw it away. There was another play where he was basically sacked but threw an underhand ball to Forte at the last second for no gain. The main problem on defense was the tackling by the secondary (Jefferson was absolutely atrocious), the LB's inability to cover the middle, and Marshall going into beast-mode and catching everything in sight. (Okay it was a clear PI on him in the endzone but other than that the guy played lights out)
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VikingPaul73 wrote: A monday night game on the west coast.

I missed the game today, but noticed that the vikings only recorded 1 sack. Did they pressure Cutler at all? I know the Vikings D-Line doesn't hold a candle to the 49ers DLine, but the 9ers absoutely dismantled the Bears O-Line on monday. It was like men vs. children. I thought the Vikings could have gotten to Cutler a few times.
Their pass rush wasn't very effective today, although Mike Tice and the Bears o-line deserve some credit for that. Tice made changes on that line this week and I'm guessing he read his guys the riot act and pushed them hard to prepare for this game. It showed. The Vikings pass rush was MIA for much of the afternoon.
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Mothman wrote: Their pass rush wasn't very effective today, although Mike Tice and the Bears o-line deserve some credit for that. Tice made changes on that line this week and I'm guessing he read his guys the riot act and pushed them hard to prepare for this game. It showed. The Vikings pass rush was MIA for much of the afternoon.
Jim, I think you were there. I saw only first half then nfl radio / red zone because Fox LA shifted to Atl-TB at 25-3 at start of 2nd half. Any positives that we are giving short shrift? It felt closer than last year's blowout. Dave
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CalVike wrote:0. The whole bloody defense

1. Turnovers

2. WR drops

3. Poor QB play in the red zone

4. Improper use of the NFL's best running back

5. Penalties.

6. Refs.

Go Vikes!
LOL! That sums it up pretty well.

This was the first Vikings game I've seen in person this season and I have to say, the Vikes WRs are far worse than I thought. Harvin is the only legitimate starting WR on the team and he and Wright are the only two I want to see back next season. Simpson is $#@!* useless. Burton is worse than useless. Jenkins is invisible until teams are up by 3 scores and then he can actually get open on a few routes against soft, relaxed defenses that doesn't fear him anyway. The drops today were incredibly frustrating but it was almost as frustrating to watch these guys struggle to get open on many of the plays where they weren't dropping passes.
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This was a very painful game to endure as a fan. Failure all across the spectrum. AD had the dropsies early on (though rebounded very well), the WRs never even came close to catching much of anything thrown their way (save Jarius Wright, who has really become quite good in a short time), the OL was hit and miss at best, STs were atricious, playcalling was head-scratchingly inconsistent, just ugh... ugh... ugh.

But then, this was to be expected from a young, rebuilding team. Just did not want this after a bye week and certainly not a divisional game. Hopefully this lights some kind of fire and they come out with both barrels blazing next week.
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The refs took away any chance we had. The PI call on Winfield was horrible, but typical for the Vikings. Calls like that only happen to them and maybe a few other teams. Marshall was clearly at fault, pushing off the whole time. BS call, refs hate us.

The TD Raymond got. Was called a TD, then confirmed. Then reviewed again (first time ive ever seen that). They showed his knee down bit NEVER showed exactly when the ball came out. Not once. They only showed when the ball it was on a viking. Who knows when he lost control of it? It is supposed to be inculusive prove. They screwed us again.

Turnovers. Again. Ponder is rubbing off on AD.

Ponder. I dont even like seeing him in the hudle now. I know it isnt all his fault, alot or at least some, is. We need a QB now.
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CalVike wrote:Jim, I think you were there. I saw only first half then nfl radio / red zone because Fox LA shifted to Atl-TB at 25-3 at start of 2nd half. Any positives that we are giving short shrift? It felt closer than last year's blowout. Dave
I didn't see many positives, Dave. The o-line opened some nice holes for Peterson and as usual, AD ran well. I thought Winfield played pretty well against Marshall too. You can't shut a guy like that down but Winfield was jobbed on that PI call in the endzone and overall, he did a nice job against an elite receiver. He had a pick as well. :)

The biggest positives for me were the third and short calls to Rudolph, which worked like a charm for good yardage. It's plays like those that give me hope for Musgrave, although I was pretty frustrated with his playcalling at times today.

Ponder made a few nice throws early that were dropped but overall he didn't play well.

The defense managed to get a turnover and didn't give up many points in the second half but I can't say much else positive about their performance. It was pretty ugly. :(
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Mothman wrote: I didn't see many positives, Dave. The o-line opened some nice holes for Peterson and as usual, AD ran well. I thought Winfield played pretty well against Marshall too. You can't shut a guy like that down but Winfield was jobbed on that PI call in the endzone and overall, he did a nice job against an elite receiver. He had a pick as well. :)

The biggest positives for me were the third and short calls to Rudolph, which worked like a charm for good yardage. It's plays like those that give me hope for Musgrave, although I was pretty frustrated with his playcalling at times today.

Ponder made a few nice throws early that were dropped but overall he didn't play well.

Ugh you know its a bad day when Jim doesnt have many positives. How long is this rebulding project ging to be? I sure hope its a year or 2 and not a decade. Look what harbaugh (who i cant stand) did in San Fran. It starts from the top, and goes down. Things like receivers now aernt the answer.
The defense managed to get a turnover and didn't give up many points in the second half but I can't say much else positive about their performance. It was pretty ugly. :(
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So disappointing to come out flat & mistake prone on a day Seattle & TB both lost. A win was asking a lot, but the rewards would have been tremendous. Oh well the Packers in Lambeau Field will be a more enjoyable win anyway. Go Vikes!
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