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Sacks, Pressures and Scrambles

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Please forgive the length of this post. :) It's a breakdown of the plays in the Vikings/Cardinals game where Ponder was pressured and ended up scrambling, being sacked, throwing the ball away, etc. It's not an analysis of every pass play. Some of those went well, some resulted in incompletions due to poor throws or drops and the rest are listed below. I did this breakdown while working, stopping to review the plays and take notes as they came up. Unless I missed one, there were no serious pressures, sacks or scrambles in the first quarter.

I've done my best to give an honest assessment of each play and I've included a little conclusion about each play after the descriptions. Please forgive any typos.


Second quarter:
First pass of quarter: 2nd and 13 (the first INT)
Ponder fakes a handoff, drops, turns and when he goes to set, pressure is coming from the outside. Kalil directs his man back and left and Peterson picks up the blitz. All good. However, Johnson releases his man so there is pressure coming up the middle from the left and Ponder can't step up to throw. He rolls right, escapes the pressure, throws back across his body on the run and overthrows Rudolph, leading to an INT.

Conclusion: genuine pressure. Good idea to roll out, bad idea to throw because the throw is difficult and the risk outweighs the reward. Johnson and Ponder both blew it on this play.

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9:46
1st and 10 (AZ 21)
AZ blitzes Washington into the gap between Sullivan and Johnson. Blitz goes unblocked, Ponder sacked. Never had a chance.

Conclusion: the OL has to adjust and pick that blitz up. Gerhart had no chance to get to Washington.

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3:18
2nd and 4 (MN 9)
Ponder fakes handoff to Peterson, turns and sets. Johnson loses control of Campbell, releasing him into the backfield. Ponder can't step up because Fusco has been pushed into the backfield and Campbell is coming at him from the left. He rolls right and hits Peterson for a short gain.

Conclusion: Ponder made the best of a bad situation. Terrible job by Johnson.
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:50
1st and 10 (MN 13)
Ponder drops back. Interior line collapses. Ponder scrambles up the middle (to the left) for 2 yards.

Conclusion: Ponder made something out of nothing and had little choice on this play.

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:14
3rd and 8 (MN 15)
Ponder drops back. Blitz comes up the middle, directly in front of him. Gerhart picks it up. Ponder rolls left, never looking right (as far as I can tell) where he has Rudolph wide open in the flat. His intent seems to be to throw downfield but I can't see what's happening there and coaches film isn't available on NFL.com yet. Ponder rolls left, hesitates, gets hit as he releases the ball and throws his second pick.

Conclusion: Ponder definitely appeared to panic on this one. He had Rudolph open on his right but didn't seem to look that way. In his defense, there was a DB who may have been in position to make a pick if Ponder had thrown that way but it looks to me like he could have lofted the ball over that guy to Rudolph. Anyway, presumably in response to the pressure coming up the middle, he didn't look right, he went left, held the ball too long and turned it over. Definitely a bad play.


Third Quarter:

5:59
1st and 10 (MN 40)
Ponder drops back, sets, doesn't see anything he likes downfield (nobody is open in the TV shot—I can't see downfield). Eventually, he rolls to his right and throws the ball away (to a hilarious Bronx cheer from the crowd).

Conclusion: It's impossible to tell without seeing the receivers. If there was nothing there, he made the right choice.

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5:50
2nd and 10 (MN 40)
Ponder fakes a handoff, drops, sets (he hops a little) and doesn't immediately see anybody open (or at least open enough to immediately throw the ball). As that's happening, Kalil and Johnson both fail to contain Campbell, who nearly sacks Ponder. Ponder escapes, steps left, throws incomplete down the field to Harvin and takes a big hit right after releasing the ball.

Conclusion: Based on what was visible, this looks like another protection breakdown. There's little-to-no-room to step up into a pocket. Ponder does a nice job of escaping the sack and just can't connect with Harvin.



4th quarter:

14:05
1st and 10 (MN 9)
Ponder drops back, sets, and immediately has to move because the interior line has been pushed deep into the backfield. He runs up the middle (left) and gets back to the line of scrimmage.

Conclusion: Another poor job by the o-line. Ponder never had a chance to throw. I'm not sure why Musgrave wanted him to throw in that situation anyway.

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10:39
1st and 10 (MN 13)
Ponder fakes handoff, turns as he drops and immediately sees an unblocked Cardinals defender in his face. He throws toward Rudolph while backpedaling (no chance to set) and the pass is incomplete. It's not a good throw. It's behind the intended receiver.

Conclusion: Once again, a protection breakdown leads to a poor throw by Ponder.

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10:00
3rd and 5 (MN 18)
Ponder in the shotgun. Cardinals get pressure up the middle again. Ponder has nowhere to go and he is sacked in about 3 seconds. Nick Eason (sp?) beats Sullivan's block easily.

Conclusion: another case of poor pass protection and a breakdown in the middle.

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My assessment of Ponder's overall performance in the game is that he didn't play well (shocking, I know). He made some nice throws and did a good job of escaping from pressure but his accuracy wasn't great even when he had time and he didn't throw well when under pressure. There were a few plays that were difficult to assess because I couldn't see what was happening downfield and if I have time, I'll try to take another look at them later in the week when coaches film is available on NFL Game Rewind.

Overall, after looking at the plays again, my initial feelings about what happened were confirmed. Pressure allowed by the offensive line played a substantial role in the Vikings' poor passing performance against the Cardinals. Frankly, on passing plays in the second half, the OL was dominated by the Cardinals defense.

With the exception of the play that ended in Ponder's second INT, I didn't think the idea that he panics and runs from phantom pressure held up under scrutiny in this game. The notion that he should be able to just step up in the pocket instead of rolling away from pressure didn't either, as there were frequent breakdowns in the middle of the line and on a lot of the plays above, Ponder had no pocket into which he could step up and make a throw.

Simply put: Ponder didn't throw the ball well and the o-line had a terrible game. I'll withhold judgment on the receivers until I can see what was happening down the field.
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nice analysis, seems like it was just a bad game for the OL and ponder. arizona has a very good defense though, so it is not too surprising. im not worried at all, did anyone see how bad cutler and stafford looked last night? they both have elite wrs and make absolutely terrible throws/decisions consistently.
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Mothman wrote:4th quarter:

14:05
1st and 10 (MN 9)
Ponder drops back, sets, and immediately has to move because the interior line has been pushed deep into the backfield. He runs up the middle (left) and gets back to the line of scrimmage.

Conclusion: Another poor job by the o-line. Ponder never had a chance to throw. I'm not sure why Musgrave wanted him to throw in that situation anyway.
Nice job, Jim. I love any analysis of the plays, whether the game is a win or loss.

FWIW, the above disaster irritates me the most, mainly because this particular play doesn't make sense to me, not when it happened and not now. For whatever reason they tried to throw in the 4th quarter, with their backs against the wall and a guy like Adrian Peterson on their team, Ponder playing poorly all game, and with an OL that struggled to stop the pass rushers. It confuses the heck out of me.
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losperros wrote:Nice job, Jim. I love any analysis of the plays, whether the game is a win or loss.

Thanks. I did my best. :)
As you can tell, I didn't get it either. Maybe Musgrave thought if they went against the obvious call they could surprise the Cardinals and get a big play but as you pointed out, at that point in the game, with the QB and passing game struggling mightily, taking that chance doesn't make much sense. I think it crosses the line from aggressive to foolhardy.
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I hope the run game really clicks vs the bears and AP will have the type of game he had vs the cardinals. If not, it could be a long day for the vikings in soldier field as I am scared to death of the pressure from the Bears Dline.
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losperros wrote: Nice job, Jim. I love any analysis of the plays, whether the game is a win or loss.

FWIW, the above disaster irritates me the most, mainly because this particular play doesn't make sense to me, not when it happened and not now. For whatever reason they tried to throw in the 4th quarter, with their backs against the wall and a guy like Adrian Peterson on their team, Ponder playing poorly all game, and with an OL that struggled to stop the pass rushers. It confuses the heck out of me.
I at first agreed with your conclusion also. But as the game was over (and a win) I realized that we have a game coming up in 4 days. AD with a bum ankle really didn't need a bigger work load. With the D controlling the game, to me it seemed like... well lets hold on to this one, no one get burned out or hurt and move on. 4 days is not alot of time to recoup and we need 8 wins at home to make the playoffs this year. Also to bring back the mystic of "you come to MN you lose".
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Looks like replacing Johnson is gonna be key this offseason. :wallbang: interior oline a receiver are on my draft lists.
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canadaviking08 wrote:I hope the run game really clicks vs the bears and AP will have the type of game he had vs the cardinals. If not, it could be a long day for the vikings in soldier field as I am scared to death of the pressure from the Bears Dline.
Their backfield looked good against detroit this last game too. Maybe detroit just isn't that good, but Tillman is playing well and urlacher looks better than he has the past couple years when he's had some nagging injuries. Aside from the fumbles, LeShoure averaged over 5 yards a carry. I'd really like to see the run game get going here.
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Most definitely, Ponder's better served when he can throw from the pocket. There are just certain throws he's not really good at, and sometimes he tries them. Opposing teams know which throws those are, and sometimes it sure looks like they set it up to lure him into making those throws. One of the replays on his interceptions looked like he scrambled right after some horrible protection, looked downfield at his guy (who was blanketed by 3 defensive backs), and tossed it right into them. The defense had an idea that he'd throw that ball to that side...I can't see why not (because the Cardinals had almost their whole backfield covering one guy).

Ponder has plenty of footspeed, though...if only he was built for scrambling for yardage. As far as the offensive line play goes, I get the feeling that what we're seeing isn't going to get better by leaps and bounds anytime soon. There are just a few spots along that line that are a problem and that probably won't be fixed until next offseason. In that case, my hope is that Christian gets better at taking it up and sliding when he gets flushed out like that. He doesn't have a lot of options that can make catches in triple coverage (even Percy) when that situation happens. I'd rather them do a three and out and punt than turn it over, obviously.
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PurpleJarl wrote:Looks like replacing Johnson is gonna be key this offseason. :wallbang: interior oline a receiver are on my draft lists.
Right now Cjohnson looks to be the weak link on the line. Fusco/ Schwarz are rotating right now and neither are a 100%. My suspicion is they will address this issue with a mid to late round pick unless they find some extreme value somewhere. I suspect they are going to look for help at WR as a top priority in the early rounds, followed by DT/CB. My reasoning is that KWill and Winfield are getting to the end of their careers. They also need depth at LB.
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Are the Vikings worse at pass blocking than run blocking, because based on the holes AD had I'd say the line did a pretty good job of run blocking against the same Cardinals front they apparently couldn't pass block against. Usually if a line is struggling they struggle in both aspects, not just one.
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VikingLord wrote:Are the Vikings worse at pass blocking than run blocking, because based on the holes AD had I'd say the line did a pretty good job of run blocking against the same Cardinals front they apparently couldn't pass block against. Usually if a line is struggling they struggle in both aspects, not just one.
I don't necessarily think that's true, especially because the skills involved are somewhat different. There are plenty of offensive lineman that are better at run blocking than pass blocking or vice versa. Either way, in this game, the Vikings offensive line definitely did a better job of run blocking than pass blocking.
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VikingLord wrote:Are the Vikings worse at pass blocking than run blocking, because based on the holes AD had I'd say the line did a pretty good job of run blocking against the same Cardinals front they apparently couldn't pass block against. Usually if a line is struggling they struggle in both aspects, not just one.
You've got to remember there are two teams on the field.

I think part of the reason that the Vikings looked better running than passing has to do with the fact that defending the pass is Arizona's strong suit and against the run they're below average. The Cards are 4th against the pass (with 22 sacks) and 20th against the run.
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Cliff wrote:You've got to remember there are two teams on the field.

I think part of the reason that the Vikings looked better running than passing has to do with the fact that defending the pass is Arizona's strong suit and against the run they're below average. The Cards are 4th against the pass (with 22 sacks) and 20th against the run.
Exactly.

For those who doubt the nature of the Cardinals pressure on some of these plays, go to NFL.com and watch the highlights:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201210210 ... &tab=recap

Ponder's first pick is at the :56 mark. Watch how quickly the pressure comes at him from the inside. There's no way he can step up into a pocket. That's not a case of poor blocking causing an INT (the INT was on Ponder) but it's representative of what the Cardinals d-line did during the final 3 quarters of the game. They can bring some heat.

I don't know if Game Rewind will allow me to take screencaps of plays. Some programs don't let you do that but I'll try it later when I have time. Maybe I can illustrate the pressure more effectively with some screencaps from the game.
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Boon wrote:Print Scrn button is local, just paste into paint or something and save it.
I have a Mac so I don't have a Print Scrn button (at least I don't think so). However, screencaps are still executed with a keyboard command. I tried it yesterday and I can grab screencaps from Game Rewind. :)

The only reason I wondered about it is because there have been times (like when watching a DVD on my computer) where my ability to capture a still image from the screen has been disabled.

However, I'm wondering if anybody really cares about seeing screencaps of some of these pressure plays from the Cards with another game coming up tonight. Should I bother?
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