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Joe Webb (Moving Forward)

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Honestly I think to have a guy that kind of talent and not have him on the field is nuts.

I would like to see him play WR for us, but I think he would make an awesome safety
as well. I know that is a lot of work but he should know some of what he needs already
because QB's have to study routes for wide outs. They also have to recognize what the
secondary is doing on plays. We know Joe Webb can flat out run and jump as well. I think
FS or SS might be just what doctor ordered for the Vikings and Joe Webb moving forward
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Or he could beat out Christian Ponder as starting QB, we just don't know yet.


*For anyone saying "Yes we do know, and he won't" it's obvious that Webb was given a limited playbook and that once a defense had seem those plays a second time and third time they didn't work as well. If he is given the full playbook, he might be the better player (again, we just don't know).

Most likely, a better line and OC, would make either Ponder or Webb a serviceable QB.
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I gotta disagree with both of you. Moving Webb to safety is an interesting idea but honestly do you think he could step into that position and actually get on the field? Could he even be a reliable tackler? Can his body take the punishment of the physically demanding safety spot? I think that would be a huge desperation move. It would be a better time investment to make him a WR or just keep him as the backup QB. That's the stuff he knows best, no sense putting him into a completely new position.

As far as him playing QB and being given a full playbook, I still think Ponder would beat him out for the starter spot. I can't say that with 100% confidence though, but I just can't see the coaches promoting Webb to starter over our #1 pick from last year who has been anointed our "QB of the Future". Ponder would have to fail pretty badly in camp & preseason to lose the starter spot, and even then he'd probably still hold on to it.

I'm happy to have him as our #2 QB. He's a young guy that can develop right alongside Ponder and who knows maybe someday we can get a nice trade for him.
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HornedMessiah wrote: I can't say that with 100% confidence though
Ultimately that's where everyone is at right now.
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I'm fine with WR as well I just want him on the field and supposedly we are getting sage as our backup
next year.

Joe Webb is too good to be sitting third string QB for us with what we have on the field
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I'm not confident that Ponder will ultimately be better than Webb ... but I am confident that Ponder, baring a freak accident and injury, will be the starter in week 1 of next year. The coaching staff have thrown their weight behind him. Despite your opinion on Ponder it appears he is going to get at least one more year to show us what hes got.

So where does that leave Webb? I'm guessing he remains at backup QB unless he ends up really far ahead of Ponder in camp and the preseason ... he would have to look significantly better than Ponder though which I find unlikely to happen.

I am in agreement with the crowd who wants to find ways to get the ball into Joe Webbs hands. I think he can be an asset to the team ... but the Vikings also need a serviceable backup QB and Webb is at least that. Whether or not he can be serviceable at any other position remains to be seen. He hasn't been able to make very much out of his very limited number of snaps at receiver.
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Ponder only had 1/2 a season, but been there/ done that...

I want to see more of Joe Webb on the field for what I think is the reason most everyone else does: His raw talent. However, I also think it is at least partially on Joe Webb to be better than the guys in front of him at whatever position he plays. I'm sure he has more physical talent than all of our WR with the exception of Harvin. I think part of the issue is that while he might faster and have better physical tools, his mental grasp of the positions is probably not where it needs to be in order for him to be effective on the field. That is just speculation.

I think it is safe to assume the coaches recognize his tools. They have designed plays for him. When he is on the field they call the game differently to reflect his running accumen. I think you can conclude that they know what he does really well. Thus, I think the issue isn't what he can do, but what he can't do.
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Where we were at last year at the end of the season, yes Webb should have been on the field more. He could have tried playing a little defense and WR but bottom line is - he is a QB. I dont care what anyone says about him being able to play other positions, he is a QB. There is a reason why hes not out on the field. If the vikings coaching staff believed that Webb was better at the WR position that the players on the field, he would be out there. Come on guys, this isnt high school football... its the professional level. These coaches know what they are doing. I believe Webb is very happy with where he is at, and he will continue to give it his all and become a better player.

All that being said, I am very happy with Webb. He has taken advantage of every opportunity he has been given. He is extremely fun to watch, and he is extremely athletic. I do not know about him ever being a starting QB, but hes definately proven himself to be a solid backup. Hey, every team needs a backup. A guy like Webb could continue a successful season if Ponder or any other starting QB ever got significantly hurt.

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jackal wrote:I'm fine with WR as well I just want him on the field and supposedly we are getting sage as our backup
next year.

Joe Webb is too good to be sitting third string QB for us with what we have on the field
I HIGHLY doubt Webb will be the 3rd string QB, especially if Sage is brought back. Sage was our 3rd stringer last year, why would he be promoted over Webb this year?
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saint33 wrote:I HIGHLY doubt Webb will be the 3rd string QB, especially if Sage is brought back. Sage was our 3rd stringer last year, why would he be promoted over Webb this year?
Hmmm...maybe because now he'll be with the team through a full training camp, instead of coming in mid-season (remember we didn't pick him up until after we cut McFlabb). I hope you're right though, it would make more sense to keep Webb as the #2 because I think the transition from Ponder to Webb would be easier than Ponder to Rosenfels, considering that Ponder & Webb are both mobile while Sage is a statue.

I hope they don't bring back Sage. Teams only need to keep 2 QBs on the roster now, so that extra spot would be better used on a WR or DB.
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I am not saying Joe Webb couldn't be a QB for us, I just think his skills are so good
we need him on the field as much as possible. WR or FS make the most sense other
than RB which we don't really need right now
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I really am not opposed to keeping him as a back up or if he beats out christian ponder keeping ponder as a back up. I feel like their totally different styles are a huge advantage. Because if one goes down and the back up comes in the defense is at a huge disadvantage because their arent ready for that playstyle. I think we saw that in a huge was against the red skins. Or is that just me?
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Vikingsfan4321 wrote:I really am not opposed to keeping him as a back up or if he beats out christian ponder keeping ponder as a back up. I feel like their totally different styles are a huge advantage. Because if one goes down and the back up comes in the defense is at a huge disadvantage because their arent ready for that playstyle. I think we saw that in a huge was against the red skins. Or is that just me?
I think having those their two styles of play as a contrast can potentially be a good thing ... but you can't exactly count on one or the other of them to be injured and it's generally considered a bad idea to switch QBs around (more than 2-3 snaps a game).
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jackal wrote:I am not saying Joe Webb couldn't be a QB for us, I just think his skills are so good
we need him on the field as much as possible. WR or FS make the most sense other
than RB which we don't really need right now
Unfortunately the only skills he has shown consistently (other than his good all around athleticism) is his ability to scramble out of the QB position. He hasn't done anything of significance at WR and is completely untested at safety.

It would be nice to be able to just plug him in at some other position than QB and that work out ... but I don't know how realistic that is or will ever be.

I think at this point he's probably most beneficial to the team as the back up QB (or starter if he beats out Ponder).
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Joe Webb is a QB, whether he's with us or not. He's got game.

To be honest I don't get the whole, "move him to WR!!" He may be serviceable there, but not as much to warrant people's opinions.

In my opionion, he should be a QB.
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