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Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:11 pm
by mmvikes
Purple bruise wrote:I can't get over this rhetoric about "tanking games". Of course the fewer wins the better position in the draft and I do get that BUT.... This is a business where coaches, players and the GM are all struggling to keep their jobs. They need as many wins as possible to do so. They need to put the best "product" on the field week in and week out regardless of their record.
Another important aspect to this are the season ticket holders and fans that attend and watch the games each week. Would anyone like to go to a game, spend money on expensive tickets knowing that "their team" is going to tank the game. How about the sponsers? Do they want to pour their dollars into a team that is intentionally trying to lose game...hell no.
Gambling is a multi-billion dollar business in pro sports and like it or not teams cannot intentionally lose games. It is unethical and in some circumstance illegal. Staying on that thought how do you intentionally lose a game? Do you have your kicker botch a field goal, your running back fumble, tell you players to "miss" tackles, have your QB throw intentional interceptions. If that were to happen the team would surely get fined, lose draft picks and yes even maybe lose their franchise.
As it turns out this team is doing all of those things anyway but are not doing them on purpose. All of the close losses that have happened to them are not a result of tanking games. In fact, many knowledgeable people have commented on how this team HAS NOT QUIT and plays hard every week. Kudos to them!
Some players have performance clauses based on number of games played, number of receptions, rushing yards, tackles, sacks etc. if they are healthy enough to play does anyone suppose that they would not want to? Would they want to give another player the chance to take their job away from them, hell no. Again I would remind people that this is not only a game but a business.
Saint said,
"I think your taking the term "tanking" too literal. I would be surprised if there were a fan out there that wants/expects our team to just quit and actually try to lose games. It's more from a fan's perspective, either being ok with a loss because of the draft position, or in some cases hoping for a loss for draft position."[/quote]

Seriously :?: What message boards have you been reading? There are lots of fans saying that the Vikes are foolish to try and win games and they should "tank them".[/quote]

You sit your first and second string RBs, top 2 tight ends, and two starting corners. Guess it didnt work.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:16 pm
by mondry
mmvikes wrote:
You sit your first and second string RBs, top 2 tight ends, and two starting corners. Guess it didnt work.
Too bad sitting our 10th string QB for our 2nd string QB was a massive upgrade or it might have worked!

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:28 pm
by Purple bruise
mmvikes wrote: Saint said,
"I think your taking the term "tanking" too literal. I would be surprised if there were a fan out there that wants/expects our team to just quit and actually try to lose games. It's more from a fan's perspective, either being ok with a loss because of the draft position, or in some cases hoping for a loss for draft position."
Seriously :?: What message boards have you been reading? There are lots of fans saying that the Vikes are foolish to try and win games and they should "tank them".[/quote]

You sit your first and second string RBs, top 2 tight ends, and two starting corners. Guess it didnt work.[/quote]

Are you trying to say that the Vikings were trying to tank the Eagles game by "sitting" AD, Toby, Carlson, Cook and Rhodes :roll: And fully intended this in a failed attempt to lose :?: You can't be that nieve can you :shock:

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:36 pm
by Purple Reign
Purple bruise wrote: Are you trying to say that the Vikings were trying to tank the Eagles game by "sitting" AD, Toby, Carlson, Cook and Rhodes :roll: And fully intended this in a failed attempt to lose :?: You can't be that nieve can you :shock:
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic with that statement. Lighten up a bit.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:58 pm
by Purple bruise
Purple Reign wrote: I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic with that statement. Lighten up a bit.
Who are you to tell me to lighten up? No one was talking to you were they :roll: Is that what printing in red means sarcasm?

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:08 pm
by mosscarter
many quarterbacks have been deemed backups and have made a comeback. kurt warner is a prime example. those receivers cassell had with kansas city were horrendous. look at cassell and jennings stats alone when he has started. two healthy tight ends next year and maybe add a lineman and who knows? if your calling cassell a backup then what in god's name is ponder?

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:16 pm
by Purple Reign
Purple bruise wrote: Who are you to tell me to lighten up? No one was talking to you were they :roll: Is that what printing in red means sarcasm?
Last I looked, this was an open forum so I can reply as I wish. So you really think he was being serious when he said to sit all those players when we all know that they were out of the game because of injuries? Sounds like you are getting too worked up over nothing and just suggesting you chill out a bit.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:39 pm
by Purple Reign
mosscarter wrote:many quarterbacks have been deemed backups and have made a comeback. kurt warner is a prime example. those receivers cassell had with kansas city were horrendous. look at cassell and jennings stats alone when he has started. two healthy tight ends next year and maybe add a lineman and who knows? if your calling cassell a backup then what in god's name is ponder?
So you are calling Bowe and McCluster 'horrendous' receivers? They were KC's 2 top wide receivers last year and are still their top receivers this year - they just have a better qb throwing to them this year.

You are comparing Warner to Cassel? Warner never really was a backup in the NFL except for the 1st year he played with the Rams. Before that he played in the Arena Football League and over in Europe after that. So I don't think you can use Warner as a prime example. Maybe a rags to riches example.

I would call Ponder an experiment that has failed and shouldn't even be playing in the NFL.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:43 pm
by mondry
Purple bruise wrote:
Who are you to tell me to lighten up? No one was talking to you were they :roll: Is that what printing in red means sarcasm?
He's just a guy trying to help you out, try not to have an Aneurysm over it jeeze.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:57 pm
by mosscarter
i'm sorry bowe is totally over rated. last year i saw him pull up on two passes against pittsburgh because he didn't want to get hit and his hands aren't that great. i'd never want him on my team i've never thought anything of him.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:58 pm
by mosscarter
oh, and steve young was a back up too and he turned out to be one of the best qbs ever. i'm not saying cassell is on that level but aside from the carolina start he's looked very impressive.

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:11 pm
by Purple Reign
mosscarter wrote:oh, and steve young was a back up too and he turned out to be one of the best qbs ever. i'm not saying cassell is on that level but aside from the carolina start he's looked very impressive.
But Young was a backup that was groomed to eventually take over for Montana. Cassel has been in the league long enough now and I think his stats prove that he is not that consistent to be a regular starter. Yes, he has had some good games this year. The Vikings originally signed him with the intention that he would be a backup to Ponder. Now that Ponder has proven to be a bust, I'm sure they will draft a qb (or sign a free agent) to be their starter. If they draft a qb, they might start Cassel next year and sit the rookie for a year, but I don't think Cassel is their long term plan for their starting qb.

We all have our opinions and you are entitled to yours just as I'm entitled to mine and in the end neither of our opinions really matter. :lol:

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:12 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
Purple bruise wrote: Who is laughing now :?: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Hahaha. I am laughing - still. I had plenty of laughs during the game.

Also, I am laughing at the fact that you bothered to take the time to quote my first page response, but not my 24th page response following the game. Kudos man - great job!

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:50 pm
by Purple bruise
HardcoreVikesFan wrote: Hahaha. I am laughing - still. I had plenty of laughs during the game.

Also, I am laughing at the fact that you bothered to take the time to quote my first page response, but not my 24th page response following the game. Kudos man - great job!
So what is so HAHAHAHAHAHA funny, Your prediction that this game would be the Viking's worst home loss EVER :roll: And what were you HAHAHAing about during the game :?: Kudos to you for your prediction :wink:

Re: Eagles @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 15

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:57 pm
by Purple bruise
mondry wrote: He's just a guy trying to help you out, try not to have an Aneurysm over it jeeze.

Man I am soooo sorry I did not realize that he was just trying to help me.Thanks man :)