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It's the 4th season for Matt Kalil...

.. and he's played fine.

I doubt Jeffery will ever hit the market.

VikingPaul73 wrote:Interesting points. Its also interesting that, in those last 4 games (where Diggs' numbers have dropped significantly) , AD has had 2 of his best games of the year so far, and also a 125 yard rushing performance (his 5th best of the year).

In those 4 games he's averaged 133 yards per game and 5.5 per carry.
In the 7 previous games he averaged 90 yards per game and 4.5 per carry

I wonder if having opposing teams begin to game plan a bit for Diggs has helped AD.

He did have a poor performance against the Packers, but the refs had a huge part in that game, so hard to read too much into it.

I haven't checked on the avg Defense of the last 4 games (I know the Falcons have a good run D), but it just struck me that AD's recent surge seems to correlate with Diggs dropping off a bit

AD 2016
rush yards avg
10 31 3.1
29 134 4.6
20 126 6.3
16 81 5.1
26 60 2.3
19 98 5.2
20 103 5.2
29 125 4.3
26 203 7.8
13 45 3.5
29 158 5.4

It's an interesting observation! I'm not sure whether to make anything of the correlation or not.

I mean the beginning of it did have to do with the defense but I added in the draft talk as well. This thread works though

Pondering Her Percy wrote:I mean the beginning of it did have to do with the defense but I added in the draft talk as well. This thread works though

You did nothing wrong. I left your post in the other thread because it contained comments about the defense. However, people were responding to your other comments and that thread about the defense turned into a thread about the draft and wide receivers so I created this one and kept your post in both.

I'm not sure how anyone can think our WRs are good right now. Diggs is definitely good, CJ is good but I'm not sure if he can be the long term #1, Wallace is probably on his way out, Wright is nothing more than a role player right now, Thielen and Patterson are pretty much always going to be toward the bottom of the depth chart.

I think WR is definitely a priority fairly early. I think everyone is HOPING Diggs is our future #1 but honestly, I would rather see him at the Y position and draft a big stud like Treadwell as the #1, X WR.

Everyone seems to be HOPING for CJ to work out, Diggs to be a future #1, and Wright to be a legit slot guy but just hoping isn't going to help this team in the future. Imagine getting a guy like a DeAndre Hopkins later in the 1st or in the 2nd. We need a big outside WR IMO because then we could have a good 1-2 punch with that WR and Diggs. Diggs is pretty darn close to an elite route runner. If we can find a guy that can create separation and go up and high point the football, that could be very dangerous.

Do we have decent WRs? Yes. But they could definitely be much better. Pair someone up with Diggs so defenses have trouble matching up with us. We don't have that right now. Teams have caught on that Diggs is the only one that is going to make plays out of our WRs. We need another playmaker.

We didnt need Randy Moss when we had Cris Carter and Jake Reed. Carter is a hall of famer and Reed was very good. We still went ahead and took that chance on Moss and look how good our passing game was. Granted, we had a good OL then and that is a HUGE priority but I don't think WR is that far off right now.

Mothman wrote: You did nothing wrong. I left your post in the other thread because it contained comments about the defense. However, people were responding to your other comments and that thread about the defense turned into a thread about the draft and wide receivers so I created this one and kept your post in both.

Gotcha. Not a problem!! Thanks!!

Pondering Her Percy wrote:I'm not sure how anyone can think our WRs are good right now. Diggs is definitely good, CJ is good but I'm not sure if he can be the long term #1

I'm sure and he can't.

Seriously, he hasn't even demonstrated that he's clearly starting material. I think he has something to offer but I don't think he can reasonably be viewed as a potential #1 receiver based on his meager accomplishments so far.

I think WR is definitely a priority fairly early. I think everyone is HOPING Diggs is our future #1 but honestly, I would rather see him at the Y position and draft a big stud like Treadwell as the #1, X WR.

Everyone seems to be HOPING for CJ to work out, Diggs to be a future #1, and Wright to be a legit slot guy but just hoping isn't going to help this team in the future. Imagine getting a guy like a DeAndre Hopkins later in the 1st or in the 2nd. We need a big outside WR IMO because then we could have a good 1-2 punch with that WR and Diggs. Diggs is pretty darn close to an elite route runner. If we can find a guy that can create separation and go up and high point the football, that could be very dangerous.

Do we have decent WRs? Yes. But they could definitely be much better. Pair someone up with Diggs so defenses have trouble matching up with us. We don't have that right now. Teams have caught on that Diggs is the only one that is going to make plays out of our WRs. We need another playmaker.

We didnt need Randy Moss when we had Cris Carter and Jake Reed. Carter is a hall of famer and Reed was very good. We still went ahead and took that chance on Moss and look how good our passing game was. Granted, we had a good OL then and that is a HUGE priority but I don't think WR is that far off right now.

They also had good downfield passers like Moon, Cunningham, George and Culpepper during much of the time they had those receivers. They don't have that now. Again, maybe Bridgewater will emerge as that kind of QB but he's not showing many signs of it. I don't think the Vikes should rule out good QB prospects in next year's draft either but I know my views on that subject are unorthodox and unpopular so I have zero interest in delving into it any further here, during the season.

I find it interesting that so many people view safety as a high priority. i definitely think it's a position that could use an upgrade but they've been able to field a very effective defense so far this year with the safeties they have so I think there may be higher priorities. For me, improving their OL and their weak passing game should be priority #1.

dead_poet wrote: That'd be pretty stupid. He's still a special teams asset and he's only scheduled to make a little over $1 million, the last year of his rookie contract. At worst he's cheap depth and contributor on special teams.

My mistake. I thought 2015 was the last season on Patterson's contract.

OL OL OL SS WR OLB

i'm never a fan of free agent wrs, but here is the list of who is projected to be available. jeffrey is the biggest name, but like it was said he's probably not going anywhere. the 2nd tier has some young wrs like mohammed sanu (6ft 2 210-26), rueben randle (6ft2 210-24), but i'm never in favor of signing other teams #2 and expecting them to fix our passing attack. we've seen with berrian and jennings that doesn't work.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/



i think the best approach would be to draft a tall big bodies wr in the first three rds of next years draft. the past few years we've seen players like jeffrey, kelvin benjamin, martavius bryant and a few others go late in the first or later. another move i would make would be to look at a wr who has some experience in turner's system like vincent jackson from tampa. he's not a free agent, but he's not likely to play under his 2016 salary and could hit the open market.

Jeffery is a guy I would want...

jackal wrote:Jeffery is a guy I would want...

same here. perfect guy to add to diggs, wright and johnson. who knows what the bears would do, but i can't imagine they would let him walk with not much else behind him. i would expect a franchise tag for him. the question then arises would you take a chance of signing him and giving up the two first rounders?

like mothman said you need a quarterback that can get them the ball. moss would have pedestrian numbers playing with bridgewater. kid hasn't even thrown for 3 touchdowns in a single game in his career and you guys are talking about how it's the receivers fault. wallace would be doing just fine in many other offenses.

slapnut19 wrote:
same here. perfect guy to add to diggs, wright and johnson. who knows what the bears would do, but i can't imagine they would let him walk with not much else behind him. i would expect a franchise tag for him. the question then arises would you take a chance of signing him and giving up the two first rounders?

No way in hell.

mosscarter wrote:like mothman said you need a quarterback that can get them the ball. moss would have pedestrian numbers playing with bridgewater. kid hasn't even thrown for 3 touchdowns in a single game in his career and you guys are talking about how it's the receivers fault. wallace would be doing just fine in many other offenses.

For some perspective, Elway only threw for three TDs or more once in his first 19 games. In fact, he had just combined 13 TDs through his first 19 games.

Rivers threw 3 or more TDs in one of his first 18 starts and three total in his first 21.

Maybe using 3 touchdowns in a game isn't a great assessment of a guy, particularly in one of the run-heaviest offenses in the league behind the worst pass-blocking offensive line in the league. The Vikings are also tied for fewest pass attempts/game.

Wallace would be doing fine in many other offenses? Because he did so well in the last one he was in. A deep threat receiver playing on a run-first team with no pass protection. I wonder why he's not putting up big numbers...