Vikings QB Kellen Mond test positive for COVID; three QBs including Kirk Cousins expected to miss practice

[VikingsVictorious]

I never said trade anything. He fell to us.

Before the draft you said you wanted to give up 3 1sts, Barr and Cousins for Darnold and the 2nd pick to draft Jones.

I would start with offering those 2 and 3 1st round picks for Sam and the No 2 pick. This will give that GM 2 instant starters that can play at a decent level in the NFL and some draft capital that he can use this year for Trask as a dev guy. Then we can go in with Sam and Jones

Regardless, if Jones isn't a potential upgrade, why would you want to even give up 14 for him?

I guess Green Bush was trying to get an upgrade for Rodgers when they traded up to 25. No they were picking a back up now to eventually take over.

[CharVike]

I never said trade anything. He fell to us.

Before the draft you said you wanted to give up 3 1sts, Barr and Cousins for Darnold and the 2nd pick to draft Jones.

I would start with offering those 2 and 3 1st round picks for Sam and the No 2 pick. This will give that GM 2 instant starters that can play at a decent level in the NFL and some draft capital that he can use this year for Trask as a dev guy. Then we can go in with Sam and Jones

Regardless, if Jones isn't a potential upgrade, why would you want to even give up 14 for him?

OK. We'll see how it works out with Jones over the long haul.

[StumpHunter]

Before the draft you said you wanted to give up 3 1sts, Barr and Cousins for Darnold and the 2nd pick to draft Jones.



Regardless, if Jones isn't a potential upgrade, why would you want to even give up 14 for him?

I guess Green Bush was trying to get an upgrade for Rodgers when they traded up to 25. No they were picking a back up now to eventually take over.

Rodgers is 4 years older than Kirk and the Packers were looking for a younger guy to replace him. An upgrade over an aging QB.

Kirk is 33 and the only reason you draft a qb in the 1st when you have a 33 year old QB is if they aren't good enough.

[VikingsVictorious]

I guess Green Bush was trying to get an upgrade for Rodgers when they traded up to 25. No they were picking a back up now to eventually take over.

Rodgers is 4 years older than Kirk and the Packers were looking for a younger guy to replace him. An upgrade over an aging QB.

Kirk is 33 and the only reason you draft a qb in the 1st when you have a 33 year old QB is if they aren't good enough.

Whatever with this crap. That's what I consider this post. Like I said you will look for an angle to denigrate Cousins no matter what the circumstances. If the Vikings had selected Jones which WE DIDN"T it would have been to get a backup for now to eventually take over. Not due to Cousins not being good enough, but due to us possibly not being able to afford him.

[CharVike]

Rodgers is 4 years older than Kirk and the Packers were looking for a younger guy to replace him. An upgrade over an aging QB.

Kirk is 33 and the only reason you draft a qb in the 1st when you have a 33 year old QB is if they aren't good enough.

Whatever with this crap. That's what I consider this post. Like I said you will look for an angle to denigrate Cousins no matter what the circumstances. If the Vikings had selected Jones which WE DIDN"T it would have been to get a backup for now to eventually take over. Not due to Cousins not being good enough, but due to us possibly not being able to afford him.

That's exactly how I looked at it and some can't see it. Let Jones sit for a year and then you have the chance to trade Cousins or even Jones for greater value than you used. Cousins has big time value no matter what some may think. The NFL needs QBs. If we have a backup that can play you can deal him before he leaves for nothing. Certainly Cousins is worth what the Lions got for there guy which included a QB who lead a team to the Super Bowl. Some can't look ahead. The Packers picked Rodgers when they had a future HOFer starting and had years left. Rodgers wasn't an upgrade for a bum he was a guy in the hole that could take over. We said no thanks to Rodgers because we had a bum starter and have paid the price ever since. Right now Mond is a long way off from playing at this point. I wanted G/C Kendrick Green. You can't put Mond in the hole unless you want to give games away. That's not a knock but he's no different than any other QB that we drafted who is a project. Typically they all need time outside of the A Luck's and the further down you are drafted the more time a player will need. Not always but it's the norm. This year we picked a LBer and we need a guy because Barr is doing the lay down again but the guy we drafted can't play at this point. He's to small and hasn't played LBer that long and will get buried at the point. Cousins deserves credit for taking the hits behind this crap OL and putting the uniform on and getting out there a playing hard. Not always great but hard. Some can't see that or don't want to see that and they may get there wish this year which is what they are hoping for anyway.

[StumpHunter]

That's exactly how I looked at it and some can't see it. Let Jones sit for a year and then you have the chance to trade Cousins or even Jones for greater value than you used.

You wanted to trade 3 1sts, Kirk Cousins and Barr for a guy who could sit this year, then either have him take over for Cousins, trading Cousins once again, or trade him for more than we spent?

Something doesn't seem right about that scenario...

[StumpHunter]

Rodgers is 4 years older than Kirk and the Packers were looking for a younger guy to replace him. An upgrade over an aging QB.

Kirk is 33 and the only reason you draft a qb in the 1st when you have a 33 year old QB is if they aren't good enough.

Whatever with this crap. That's what I consider this post. Like I said you will look for an angle to denigrate Cousins no matter what the circumstances. If the Vikings had selected Jones which WE DIDN"T it would have been to get a backup for now to eventually take over. Not due to Cousins not being good enough, but due to us possibly not being able to afford him.

I understand that even if the Vikings had managed to trade up for Fields, he would have still sat for a year and eventually took over. Why would he have took over? Because the Vikings wouldn't have felt Cousins was good enough.

If a team selects a QB in the 1st, it is because they feel that QB will eventually be an upgrade over what they already have. Whether that is because of the age of the current QB (Rodgers) or because the current QB isn't good enough (Alex Smith), teams do not spend that kind of draft capital thinking that the QB that rookie would be replacing is the better long term option "but they couldn't afford him".

[VikingsVictorious]

Whatever with this crap. That's what I consider this post. Like I said you will look for an angle to denigrate Cousins no matter what the circumstances. If the Vikings had selected Jones which WE DIDN"T it would have been to get a backup for now to eventually take over. Not due to Cousins not being good enough, but due to us possibly not being able to afford him.

I understand that even if the Vikings had managed to trade up for Fields, he would have still sat for a year and eventually took over. Why would he have took over? Because the Vikings wouldn't have felt Cousins was good enough.

If a team selects a QB in the 1st, it is because they feel that QB will eventually be an upgrade over what they already have. Whether that is because of the age of the current QB (Rodgers) or because the current QB isn't good enough (Alex Smith), teams do not spend that kind of draft capital thinking that the QB that rookie would be replacing is the better long term option "but they couldn't afford him".

Whatever Stump. You're anti Cousins Schtick is old and worn out. It could have everything to do with cost. You've always been the one saying the Vikings need a rookie scale QB because we can't pay a QB big bucks unless he's a sure fire hall of famer. Now you're trying to act like cost has nothing to do with it. Like a judge given a case that has a family member on one side or the other you need to recuse yourself from ever commenting on anything Cousins related again. You are completely blinded by your massive bias.

[StumpHunter]

I understand that even if the Vikings had managed to trade up for Fields, he would have still sat for a year and eventually took over. Why would he have took over? Because the Vikings wouldn't have felt Cousins was good enough.

If a team selects a QB in the 1st, it is because they feel that QB will eventually be an upgrade over what they already have. Whether that is because of the age of the current QB (Rodgers) or because the current QB isn't good enough (Alex Smith), teams do not spend that kind of draft capital thinking that the QB that rookie would be replacing is the better long term option "but they couldn't afford him".

Whatever Stump. You're anti Cousins Schtick is old and worn out. It could have everything to do with cost. You've always been the one saying the Vikings need a rookie scale QB because we can't pay a QB big bucks unless he's a sure fire hall of famer. Now you're trying to act like cost has nothing to do with it. Like a judge given a case that has a family member on one side or the other you need to recuse yourself from ever commenting on anything Cousins related again. You are completely blinded by your massive bias.

This isn't even anti Cousins at this point as much as pointing out a poster is full of it (not you).

Let me help you out by first stating the obvious that the Vikings did NOT give up the 14th pick for a QB.
Hypothetically if they had, it is because they thought that QB would eventually be an upgrade over our current one. They didn't, so they must not think Jones is an upgrade over Cousins, correct?

[VikingsVictorious]

Whatever Stump. You're anti Cousins Schtick is old and worn out. It could have everything to do with cost. You've always been the one saying the Vikings need a rookie scale QB because we can't pay a QB big bucks unless he's a sure fire hall of famer. Now you're trying to act like cost has nothing to do with it. Like a judge given a case that has a family member on one side or the other you need to recuse yourself from ever commenting on anything Cousins related again. You are completely blinded by your massive bias.

This isn't even anti Cousins at this point as much as pointing out a poster is full of it (not you).

Let me help you out by first stating the obvious that the Vikings did NOT give up the 14th pick for a QB.
Hypothetically if they had, it is because they thought that QB would eventually be an upgrade over our current one. They didn't, so they must not think Jones is an upgrade over Cousins, correct?

Correct, but even if they had drafted a QB at 14 that does not mean they think that QB would be an upgrade.

[StumpHunter]

This isn't even anti Cousins at this point as much as pointing out a poster is full of it (not you).

Let me help you out by first stating the obvious that the Vikings did NOT give up the 14th pick for a QB.
Hypothetically if they had, it is because they thought that QB would eventually be an upgrade over our current one. They didn't, so they must not think Jones is an upgrade over Cousins, correct?

Correct, but even if they had drafted a QB at 14 that does not mean they think that QB would be an upgrade.

Lol okay.

[CharVike]

Whatever Stump. You're anti Cousins Schtick is old and worn out. It could have everything to do with cost. You've always been the one saying the Vikings need a rookie scale QB because we can't pay a QB big bucks unless he's a sure fire hall of famer. Now you're trying to act like cost has nothing to do with it. Like a judge given a case that has a family member on one side or the other you need to recuse yourself from ever commenting on anything Cousins related again. You are completely blinded by your massive bias.

This isn't even anti Cousins at this point as much as pointing out a poster is full of it (not you).

Let me help you out by first stating the obvious that the Vikings did NOT give up the 14th pick for a QB.
Hypothetically if they had, it is because they thought that QB would eventually be an upgrade over our current one. They didn't, so they must not think Jones is an upgrade over Cousins, correct?

I'm the guy that's full of it. We were back and forth with the OL in that he stated Brady's release makes his OL. I said it has nothing to do with that and his OL is very good. In the games Brady was pressured and it wasn't many his play fell off big time. So much for the release. Cousins OL last year had 2 players that were maybe average starters. The other three were bench guys that were starting. They were lucky to make a roster. This year it's worse because we lost our below avg LT and the same stiffs are still here. Trader down Rick didn't like Jones and that's ok he's the pro who has never selected a decent long term starting QB in his career. So his drafting track record of QBs sucks. Bill B didn't waste any time. It don't really matter at this point it's what I would have done.
We should trade this stiff Bradbury to the Bucs for there stiff C Ryan Jensen. Since some feel the Bucs OL is only made from the Brady release. Guess what? The Bucs would tell us to get lost because Bradberry sucks and our guy is very good. I'm full of it again.

[StumpHunter]

This isn't even anti Cousins at this point as much as pointing out a poster is full of it (not you).

Let me help you out by first stating the obvious that the Vikings did NOT give up the 14th pick for a QB.
Hypothetically if they had, it is because they thought that QB would eventually be an upgrade over our current one. They didn't, so they must not think Jones is an upgrade over Cousins, correct?

I'm the guy that's full of it. We were back and forth with the OL in that he stated Brady's release makes his OL. I said it has nothing to do with that and his OL is very good. In the games Brady was pressured and it wasn't many his play fell off big time. So much for the release. Cousins OL last year had 2 players that were maybe average starters. The other three were bench guys that were starting. They were lucky to make a roster. This year it's worse because we lost our below avg LT and the same stiffs are still here. Trader down Rick didn't like Jones and that's ok he's the pro who has never selected a decent long term starting QB in his career. So his drafting track record of QBs sucks. Bill B didn't waste any time. It don't really matter at this point it's what I would have done.
We should trade this stiff Bradbury to the Bucs for there stiff C Ryan Jensen. Since some feel the Bucs OL is only made from the Brady release. Guess what? The Bucs would tell us to get lost because Bradberry sucks and our guy is very good. I'm full of it again.

Not sure what any of that has to do with you wanting to spend 3 1sts to replace Cousins, but even novice football fans know the QB plays a huge role in how often they are pressured or sacked.

[CharVike]

I'm the guy that's full of it. We were back and forth with the OL in that he stated Brady's release makes his OL. I said it has nothing to do with that and his OL is very good. In the games Brady was pressured and it wasn't many his play fell off big time. So much for the release. Cousins OL last year had 2 players that were maybe average starters. The other three were bench guys that were starting. They were lucky to make a roster. This year it's worse because we lost our below avg LT and the same stiffs are still here. Trader down Rick didn't like Jones and that's ok he's the pro who has never selected a decent long term starting QB in his career. So his drafting track record of QBs sucks. Bill B didn't waste any time. It don't really matter at this point it's what I would have done.
We should trade this stiff Bradbury to the Bucs for there stiff C Ryan Jensen. Since some feel the Bucs OL is only made from the Brady release. Guess what? The Bucs would tell us to get lost because Bradberry sucks and our guy is very good. I'm full of it again.

Not sure what any of that has to do with you wanting to spend 3 1sts to replace Cousins, but even novice football fans know the QB plays a huge role in how often they are pressured or sacked.

That's why the Chiefs signed two stars because their QB made the other two look like bums and played a huge role in getting pressured. OK. As Aikman said his OL was great and any team that wants to win will provide that for the QB. But Aikman has no idea about the game or how to win right? Bottom line a good team will have a good OL. Your the only one I ever heard say the complete opposite. We hold up because we have very good skill players. But our GM is so stupid that he doesn't realize that we will face a monster DL eventually and we will need players that can block up front. They will need to do something.

[chicagopurple]

anyone who doesnt understand the the OL is the foundation of any championship team just knows nothing about football.
You wont win a super bowl without a good to great QB and a superior OL....period.
Spielman has failed to build an even mediocre OL his whole career and nothing has changed.
We have a middling to good QB, No OL, great RB, and this is exactly the same useless mix of talent that this team has fed us for over a decade....it leads nowhere.......