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Pretty good article on OTAs. I found this interesting….it definitely looks like they plan on Ezra at LG and Davis at RG. No need to make this switch unless they fully expect Davis to ultimately start over Dozier at RG. Not shocking but nice to know


https://www.vikings.com/news/klint-kubi ... gs-offense
One week in, Minnesota has gone with veteran Rashod Hill at left tackle, moved second-year pro Ezra Cleveland from right guard to left guard and flipped him with 2020 starting left guard Dakota Dozier to join Bradbury and O'Neill for first-team reps.
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VikingPaul73 wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 pm Pretty good article on OTAs. I found this interesting….it definitely looks like they plan on Ezra at LG and Davis at RG. No need to make this switch unless they fully expect Davis to ultimately start over Dozier at RG. Not shocking but nice to know


https://www.vikings.com/news/klint-kubi ... gs-offense
One week in, Minnesota has gone with veteran Rashod Hill at left tackle, moved second-year pro Ezra Cleveland from right guard to left guard and flipped him with 2020 starting left guard Dakota Dozier to join Bradbury and O'Neill for first-team reps.
I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
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VikingLord wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:51 pm
VikingPaul73 wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 pm Pretty good article on OTAs. I found this interesting….it definitely looks like they plan on Ezra at LG and Davis at RG. No need to make this switch unless they fully expect Davis to ultimately start over Dozier at RG. Not shocking but nice to know


https://www.vikings.com/news/klint-kubi ... gs-offense

I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
I really like the idea of getting Mond experience like that. It would be more for the defense to game plan for all while easing him into his career. I just don't want him to get hit on designed run plays.
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VikingLord wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:51 pm
VikingPaul73 wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 pm Pretty good article on OTAs. I found this interesting….it definitely looks like they plan on Ezra at LG and Davis at RG. No need to make this switch unless they fully expect Davis to ultimately start over Dozier at RG. Not shocking but nice to know


https://www.vikings.com/news/klint-kubi ... gs-offense

I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
Mond ran the RPO in college so I could see them using him on a few gadget or short yardage plays.
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Zimmer said Wednesday morning that Darrisaw has “a little groin pull” and would likely be held out of the session. Posted by Myles Simmons on June 2, 2021, 10:55 AM EDT
Hope this isn't little like Hunter's injury. Only missing a season is little in some peoples head. Groin can be a complete shut down. Next man up for now.
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We just can't have nice things...
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VikingLord wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:51 pm
VikingPaul73 wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 pm Pretty good article on OTAs. I found this interesting….it definitely looks like they plan on Ezra at LG and Davis at RG. No need to make this switch unless they fully expect Davis to ultimately start over Dozier at RG. Not shocking but nice to know


https://www.vikings.com/news/klint-kubi ... gs-offense

I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
Hill gave us fits. He doesn't have the passing skills that are required and that's Mr turnover Winston's gig. IMO I don't know why a HC would want there QB running around taking more hits. Mahomes found that out on the 3rd and 1 RPO dive. Say good night. They keep doing that and his career won't last very long. This isn't college. These guys are bigger, stronger and faster and will lay the wood to a player. They need to keep their jobs also. That's a disaster just waiting to happen. Our dual threat Culpepper had his career ended looking to pick up yards with his legs. Sure he picked up some yardage but was it worth it long term? Maybe it was. IMO Mond needs to work on his accuracy and then take over next year. Cousins needs to be dealt for some picks before he leaves for nothing. Trader down Rick needs to keep his eyes peeled. A starting QB could/will get hurt this year. That's when you can make the best deals. You say here's what I won't. That's what I would do.
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CharVike wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:43 am
VikingLord wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:51 pm

I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
Hill gave us fits. He doesn't have the passing skills that are required and that's Mr turnover Winston's gig. IMO I don't know why a HC would want there QB running around taking more hits. Mahomes found that out on the 3rd and 1 RPO dive. Say good night. They keep doing that and his career won't last very long. This isn't college. These guys are bigger, stronger and faster and will lay the wood to a player. They need to keep their jobs also. That's a disaster just waiting to happen. Our dual threat Culpepper had his career ended looking to pick up yards with his legs. Sure he picked up some yardage but was it worth it long term? Maybe it was. IMO Mond needs to work on his accuracy and then take over next year. Cousins needs to be dealt for some picks before he leaves for nothing. Trader down Rick needs to keep his eyes peeled. A starting QB could/will get hurt this year. That's when you can make the best deals. You say here's what I won't. That's what I would do.
I don't think Mond needs to run if they put him in, but his ability to threaten to run might be very helpful in certain down-distance situations, especially if the Vikings use him sparingly. In fact, I'd say if they feel Mond can handle those situations he could be very effective and give the Vikings offense an edge it otherwise wouldn't have.
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CharVike wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:58 pm Zimmer said Wednesday morning that Darrisaw has “a little groin pull” and would likely be held out of the session. Posted by Myles Simmons on June 2, 2021, 10:55 AM EDT
Hope this isn't little like Hunter's injury. Only missing a season is little in some peoples head. Groin can be a complete shut down. Next man up for now.
Yeah "little pull" in Zimmer language can be anything from a slight tweak to the guys leg was amputated. Fingers crossed.
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S197 wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:30 pm
CharVike wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:58 pm Zimmer said Wednesday morning that Darrisaw has “a little groin pull” and would likely be held out of the session. Posted by Myles Simmons on June 2, 2021, 10:55 AM EDT
Hope this isn't little like Hunter's injury. Only missing a season is little in some peoples head. Groin can be a complete shut down. Next man up for now.
Yeah "little pull" in Zimmer language can be anything from a slight tweak to the guys leg was amputated. Fingers crossed.
Yes. This could be anything. Hunter tweaked his neck. We all ragged on that one. The only positive is it happen well before camp. Hopefully the kid is heeled and ready to go from the start. He, we and Cousins needs that. Otherwise we will have a swinging gate playing LT.
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VikingLord wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:51 pm
VikingPaul73 wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:06 pm Pretty good article on OTAs. I found this interesting….it definitely looks like they plan on Ezra at LG and Davis at RG. No need to make this switch unless they fully expect Davis to ultimately start over Dozier at RG. Not shocking but nice to know


https://www.vikings.com/news/klint-kubi ... gs-offense

I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
Hill is such a better athlete than just about any QB out there. Mond isn't as fast or as elusive and I just don't see those types of plays working for him.
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StumpHunter wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:37 am
VikingLord wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 12:51 pm

I hope Davis is starting over Dozier. Dozier really struggled last year and I don't see much upside with him.

Interesting that they moved Cleveland over to LG though, but they probably expect Darrisaw to win the starting LT spot and don't want two rookies next to each other on Cousin's blind side.

Then again, if Darrisaw and Davis are that good, maybe it would be beneficial to the Vikings if they put them both over there as DCs would foolishly try to overload that side and the Vikings could take advantage of that in some way (assuming they could, that is).

One other thought that occurred to me is could the Vikings try to utilize Mond as a change-of-pace QB ala how the Saints used Hill? Mond does have some athletic capabilities that Cousins doesn't, and his abilities would alter how a defense has to approach the Vikings in certain down-distance situations. Plus, it gets Mond on the field into game situations and gives him a chance to contribute even if he doesn't end up starting outright for few years.

Be interesting to see if the Vikings find ways to work Mond onto the field even this year. I think the Saints did a masterful job working Hill into the mix. I don't see why the Vikings couldn't take a page out of that book now that they have the personnel to do it.
Hill is such a better athlete than just about any QB out there. Mond isn't as fast or as elusive and I just don't see those types of plays working for him.
That's assuming the only way to get Mond out there and make him effective is to run the same types of plays the Saints ran for Hill.

But that isn't necessarily the only way to get Mond into the mix. Merely getting him on the field with the threat that he can do things Cousins can't should be enough to make him more effective even if he doesn't do anything other than drop back and throw the ball. The key element is he's not Cousins and defenses won't be prepared for him. As long as the Vikings don't overplay that hand, it could be very effective.
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