Diggs

[PacificNorseWest]

I heard his presser...somewhat ambiguous, but I found solace when he said he did not request a trade. His remark that is drawing all the headlines with "truth to every rumor" felt more like a standard belief, such as those that feel there's truths behind every lie or whatever that idiom is, than an actual intimation that he's proactively motioning to be traded. That's what it appeared to be to me, but it's clear he's frustrated and eventually, if they dont start winning, things will blow up...not just with Diggs either.

[S197]

Diggs isn’t going anywhere, the dead cap number is massive if he’s traded now.

https://overthecap.com/player/stefon-diggs/3994/

[Bowhunting Viking]

After watching the presser a few more times I feel a little differently than the initial knee jerk reaction when 1st reading all the cherry picked quotes the media made in the article. He mentioned having a cold from the cooler and rain from Sunday. I noticed how he did cough and clear his throat a few times, and it didnt seem like he was faking it. The main thing is is he never said he requested a trade. He said he still lives being in Minny. I mentioned more than once that if you are out there and don't want to win then something is wrong basically. He never called out Cousins really.
I feel it's the frustration of being under utilized, the frustration of the now RUN RUN RUN offense and almost abandonment of the passing game. The dude is a hell of a WR, and so is his bookend in Theilen. They know they can ALSO make plays to help them win. And unfortunately their numbers aren't being called plain and simple. And when they are, our QB isnt making good passes to give them an opportunity to help out.
Hopefully a more balanced attack and a few wins will help start righting this ship.
Wait.. I dont wanna refer to any Vikings situation as a ship or especially a boat.. I never wanna re live the Boat thing again

[Pondering Her Percy]

Kubiak had two studs in Denver with Manning in Sanders and Thomas. There's no way he can't figure out to get both guys involved AND have a great run game. I'm with Diggs. Winning cures everything though so this all goes away if we get a solid win against the Giants on Sunday.

Oh I hear ya but at the same time it’s hard to judge Manning in any offense because he was practically the coach and ran the offense. Adam Gase was once crowned as a HC because he was Manning’s OC. He’s still a head coach. And he’s probably the worst HC the league has seen in a while. Being from NY I have a few buddies that are jets fans and man were they mad when that’s who the jets hired. I never understood it. The jets are in the same division as the dolphins and saw how poor of a coach/talent evaluator he was and they STILL hired him. I have a hard time seeing the jets or dolphins ever being relevant in the next 10 years. I thought the same about the browns but they are “relevant” again but I feel that’s more media driven than anything. They had an impressive win against Baltimore but they also will underwhelm often. They crowned that team way too early. Reminds me of the “dream team” Philly had when Vick was there and they missed the playoffs.

Wow sorry for that random tangent I just went on I just love talking football

[StumpHunter]

Diggs isn’t going anywhere, the dead cap number is massive if he’s traded now.

https://overthecap.com/player/stefon-diggs/3994/

A trade makes no sense regardless of the cap. Maybe if we had a GM who was secure in his position and could think about sacrificing wins this year to be better in 2 years, but Rick can't afford to do that. He needs to win now or he is gone.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Diggs isn’t going anywhere, the dead cap number is massive if he’s traded now.

https://overthecap.com/player/stefon-diggs/3994/

A trade makes no sense regardless of the cap. Maybe if we had a GM who was secure in his position and could think about sacrificing wins this year to be better in 2 years, but Rick can't afford to do that. He needs to win now or he is gone.

Regardless nobody is going to offer what Diggs is actually worth IMO. It has nothing to do with Spielman. I dont think we would get fair compensation for him anyways and it would do nothing but create a giant hole at WR

[Mothman]

There have been quite a few comments in this thread about the offense's emphasis on the running game. Its worth noting that the Vikings are 2-0 thus far in games where they have more rushing attempts than passing attempts. They're 0-2 in games where they passed more than they ran (and yes, they've passed more than they've run in half of their games). There are obviously other factors involved in those wins and losses but my point is this offense isn't so run-heavy that it's problematic, at least not thus far this season.

If I recall correctly, the Vikings called over twice as many passing plays as running plays against the Bears. Game situations had an impact on that but again, this offense isn't simply ignoring the passing game. The problem is the passing game's effectiveness has been limited thus far. If Diggs is frustrated by that, welcome to the club. If he's frustrated that he's not getting the ball enough, I have little sympathy for him at this point. If he's frustrated with Cousins, he needs to suck it up and do what he can to help his QB be better.

The distraction he's created isn't what the team needs right now. The Vikings need leadership and teamwork, not selfishness or off-the field distractions.

[TSonn]

There have been quite a few comments in this thread about the offense's emphasis on the running game. Its worth noting that the Vikings are 2-0 thus far in games where they have more rushing attempts than passing attempts. They're 0-2 in games where they passed more than they ran (and yes, they've passed more than they've run in half of their games). There are obviously other factors involved in those wins and losses but my point is this offense isn't so run-heavy that it's problematic, at least not thus far this season.

If I recall correctly, the Vikings called over twice as many passing plays as running plays against the Bears. Game situations had an impact on that but again, this offense isn't simply ignoring the passing game. The problem is the passing game's effectiveness has been limited thus far. If Diggs is frustrated by that, welcome to the club. If he's frustrated that he's not getting the ball enough, I have little sympathy for him at this point. If he's frustrated with Cousins, he needs to suck it up and do what he can to help his QB be better.

The distraction he's created isn't what the team needs right now. The Vikings need leadership and teamwork, not selfishness or off-the field distractions.

I don't think it's the amount of pass vs run that's frustrating. Like you said, most of those numbers are a product of what happens during the game anyway. It's that our passing scheme is pedestrian.

Chris Simms said this about our offense:

"You know me, I like to watch film, I watched the Minnesota offense and their pass schemes and it's about as underwhelming as it gets in the NFL. It's just as simple as can be. I mean, they're running plays that New England would say 'we practice those with our rookies'".

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... k-cousins/

We've got a veteran QB and two stud veteran WRs who are known for their route running. There's no reason for our passing game to be dumbed down and be one of the simplest in the NFL.

[Dames]

There have been quite a few comments in this thread about the offense's emphasis on the running game. Its worth noting that the Vikings are 2-0 thus far in games where they have more rushing attempts than passing attempts. They're 0-2 in games where they passed more than they ran (and yes, they've passed more than they've run in half of their games). There are obviously other factors involved in those wins and losses but my point is this offense isn't so run-heavy that it's problematic, at least not thus far this season.

If I recall correctly, the Vikings called over twice as many passing plays as running plays against the Bears. Game situations had an impact on that but again, this offense isn't simply ignoring the passing game. The problem is the passing game's effectiveness has been limited thus far. If Diggs is frustrated by that, welcome to the club. If he's frustrated that he's not getting the ball enough, I have little sympathy for him at this point. If he's frustrated with Cousins, he needs to suck it up and do what he can to help his QB be better.

The distraction he's created isn't what the team needs right now. The Vikings need leadership and teamwork, not selfishness or off-the field distractions.

Right on Jim. Balance is not the issue. Execution is. I have zero issue with the play-calling personally (well, except the call on the INT at the end of the GB game, ugh - but execute that properly and nobody cares). I like the ground game emphasis, and honestly it's been working. A few more pass plays executed and this season is changed. Literally, like 3 more. I wish I knew what exactly Diggs is frustrated with, but unfortunately that is probably info we'll never know. Either way, I dislike how he's handling it, but you know, he's a kid still. I did and said some stupid things as a kid too.

We can all hope this is a wake up for for team... and not just the start of a season of distractions, finger-pointing and chaos. It can go either way at this point.

[StumpHunter]

There have been quite a few comments in this thread about the offense's emphasis on the running game. Its worth noting that the Vikings are 2-0 thus far in games where they have more rushing attempts than passing attempts. They're 0-2 in games where they passed more than they ran (and yes, they've passed more than they've run in half of their games). There are obviously other factors involved in those wins and losses but my point is this offense isn't so run-heavy that it's problematic, at least not thus far this season.

If I recall correctly, the Vikings called over twice as many passing plays as running plays against the Bears. Game situations had an impact on that but again, this offense isn't simply ignoring the passing game. The problem is the passing game's effectiveness has been limited thus far. If Diggs is frustrated by that, welcome to the club. If he's frustrated that he's not getting the ball enough, I have little sympathy for him at this point. If he's frustrated with Cousins, he needs to suck it up and do what he can to help his QB be better.

The distraction he's created isn't what the team needs right now. The Vikings need leadership and teamwork, not selfishness or off-the field distractions.

Maybe he believes things are so broken it doesn't matter.

[StumpHunter]

There have been quite a few comments in this thread about the offense's emphasis on the running game. Its worth noting that the Vikings are 2-0 thus far in games where they have more rushing attempts than passing attempts. They're 0-2 in games where they passed more than they ran (and yes, they've passed more than they've run in half of their games). There are obviously other factors involved in those wins and losses but my point is this offense isn't so run-heavy that it's problematic, at least not thus far this season.

If I recall correctly, the Vikings called over twice as many passing plays as running plays against the Bears. Game situations had an impact on that but again, this offense isn't simply ignoring the passing game. The problem is the passing game's effectiveness has been limited thus far. If Diggs is frustrated by that, welcome to the club. If he's frustrated that he's not getting the ball enough, I have little sympathy for him at this point. If he's frustrated with Cousins, he needs to suck it up and do what he can to help his QB be better.

The distraction he's created isn't what the team needs right now. The Vikings need leadership and teamwork, not selfishness or off-the field distractions.

I don't think it's the amount of pass vs run that's frustrating. Like you said, most of those numbers are a product of what happens during the game anyway. It's that our passing scheme is pedestrian.

Chris Simms said this about our offense:

"You know me, I like to watch film, I watched the Minnesota offense and their pass schemes and it's about as underwhelming as it gets in the NFL. It's just as simple as can be. I mean, they're running plays that New England would say 'we practice those with our rookies'".

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... k-cousins/

We've got a veteran QB and two stud veteran WRs who are known for their route running. There's no reason for our passing game to be dumbed down and be one of the simplest in the NFL.

I remember Zimmer talking about giving Cousins a call and asking him if the offense was too complicated last year. Maybe the Vikings over compensated.

[Dames]

Chris Simms said this about our offense:

"You know me, I like to watch film, I watched the Minnesota offense and their pass schemes and it's about as underwhelming as it gets in the NFL. It's just as simple as can be. I mean, they're running plays that New England would say 'we practice those with our rookies'".

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... k-cousins/

We've got a veteran QB and two stud veteran WRs who are known for their route running. There's no reason for our passing game to be dumbed down and be one of the simplest in the NFL.

All due respect to Simms, but if you watch back the Bears game, the receivers were open on those "simple" routes., so... more complicated routes are just that... more complicated. It's not going to make them execute any better is it? In other words, I'm not buying that is the cause of the issues.

I confess I haven't watched the video yet. I will, and maybe I'll have a different opinion... but I didn't see anything in the Bears game to suggest that they weren't getting open because the routes are too simple.

[Dames]

Maybe he believes things are so broken it doesn't matter.

Goodness, they are 2-2, with essentially 2 blow outs and 2 close losses, and you think he might possibly think that things are broken beyond repair? Yikes. He could be in Miami. THAT team is in shambles.

[StumpHunter]

Maybe he believes things are so broken it doesn't matter.

Goodness, they are 2-2, with essentially 2 blow outs and 2 close losses, and you think he might possibly think that things are broken beyond repair? Yikes. He could be in Miami. THAT team is in shambles.

Yea, I think it might be that bad behind the scenes. I hope not.

[Dames]

Goodness, they are 2-2, with essentially 2 blow outs and 2 close losses, and you think he might possibly think that things are broken beyond repair? Yikes. He could be in Miami. THAT team is in shambles.

Yea, I think it might be that bad behind the scenes. I hope not.

I hope not too.

It's been a rough start in the division for sure. But getting these road games out of the way is nice actually. Stealing one win would have been good of course, but 2-2 at this point in the season, is really not unexpected by me. Games in GB and Chi are very hard to win. I at least, have not lost hope at all. Frustrated like everyone... but not hopeless.