StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:37 pm
It is a bunch of excuse making for Cousins failures and the author arguing Cousins isn't just a meaningless stat line with meaningless statlines.
The article tells it exactly like it is. If our OL is fixed look forward to very good times for the Vikings and their fans. Teams win or lose games. The QBs participate. Hopefully Cousins and the Vikings success this year won't depress you.
Telling it like it is?
Not many top quarterbacks can carry their team absent good running games and defenses.
Why is that relevant to Cousins 2018 season where the defense was top 3 in scoring?
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 1:43 pm
The article tells it exactly like it is. If our OL is fixed look forward to very good times for the Vikings and their fans. Teams win or lose games. The QBs participate. Hopefully Cousins and the Vikings success this year won't depress you.
Telling it like it is?
Not many top quarterbacks can carry their team absent good running games and defenses.
Why is that relevant to Cousins 2018 season where the defense was top 3 in scoring?
Because the Vikings running game was nonexistent. It said good running games and defense. Not or defense. We should have both this year. I hope you enjoy lots of wins and a deep playoff run. I'm Nostradamus on this. You can take it to the bank.
Cliff wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:50 pm
In my mind Cousins has the tools but he's not the kind of QB that can elevate a team. He'll have to prove otherwise because as it stands he's 5-30 against teams that have finished the season with a winning record. He had one such victory for the Vikings last season, I believe. Against the Eagles, I think?
Only time will change my mind about him.
Great article from Daily Norseman comparing Cousins to Brady.
There's no doubt Kirk can put up stats. Especially against weaker opponents and in garbage time. I expect those stats to go down when the Vikings (hopefully) don't pass 65.2% of the time for 5th most in the league.
Any time he's up against a team with a decent or better defense it's over - until the 4th quarter down by 10+. He's a hell of a fantasy QB.
I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I just don't think he has what it takes to win against quality teams.
There's no doubt Kirk can put up stats. Especially against weaker opponents and in garbage time. I expect those stats to go down when the Vikings (hopefully) don't pass 65.2% of the time for 5th most in the league.
Any time he's up against a team with a decent or better defense it's over - until the 4th quarter down by 10+. He's a hell of a fantasy QB.
I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I just don't think he has what it takes to win against quality teams.
He has more than enough to win against anybody. Do you actually think he goes oh no I'm playing a good team I have to suck now? I guarantee you he doesn't.
There's no doubt Kirk can put up stats. Especially against weaker opponents and in garbage time. I expect those stats to go down when the Vikings (hopefully) don't pass 65.2% of the time for 5th most in the league.
Any time he's up against a team with a decent or better defense it's over - until the 4th quarter down by 10+. He's a hell of a fantasy QB.
I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I just don't think he has what it takes to win against quality teams.
He has more than enough to win against anybody. Do you actually think he goes oh no I'm playing a good team I have to suck now? I guarantee you he doesn't.
No, I think he's good enough to beat down bad defenses but not good enough to win against the better defenses.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:31 pm
He has more than enough to win against anybody. Do you actually think he goes oh no I'm playing a good team I have to suck now? I guarantee you he doesn't.
No, I think he's good enough to beat down bad defenses but not good enough to win against the better defenses.
With adequate blocking and a running game that will be no problem at all.
No, I think he's good enough to beat down bad defenses but not good enough to win against the better defenses.
With adequate blocking and a running game that will be no problem at all.
I hope so! I'm just not particularly hopeful about him. He's been on a slew of teams that he couldn't get "over the hump". Teams that weren't great but weren't horrible either. Teams that the really good QBs of the league probably could have at least pushed into the playoffs.
Why is that relevant to Cousins 2018 season where the defense was top 3 in scoring?
Because the Vikings running game was nonexistent. It said good running games and defense. Not or defense. We should have both this year. I hope you enjoy lots of wins and a deep playoff run. I'm Nostradamus on this. You can take it to the bank.
That would be great, but seems unlikely with his past history. What if he has another .500 season or goes 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs? Would you still be happy with the signing?
The author was comparing Cousins with other top 10 passer rating QBs who had bad run games and a bad defense. I can't see Brees, Rodgers, or Wilson not making the playoffs with a top 3 defense and Diggs and Thielen to throw the ball too can you?
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 3:13 pm
Because the Vikings running game was nonexistent. It said good running games and defense. Not or defense. We should have both this year. I hope you enjoy lots of wins and a deep playoff run. I'm Nostradamus on this. You can take it to the bank.
That would be great, but seems unlikely with his past history. What if he has another .500 season or goes 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs? Would you still be happy with the signing?
The author was comparing Cousins with other top 10 passer rating QBs who had bad run games and a bad defense. I can't see Brees, Rodgers, or Wilson not making the playoffs with a top 3 defense and Diggs and Thielen to throw the ball too can you?
Stump if you want to hold on to the negativity you will always find reasons that fit your thinking. 10-6 if it happens is not a bad season. I'm hopeful of better. If we move up to average blocking for Run and Pass I think Cousins can take us a long way. If he gets that and doesn't produce my opinion of him will be diminished. I think that is moot, because with a run game and good pass blocking we are going to rock.
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 9:54 pm
That would be great, but seems unlikely with his past history. What if he has another .500 season or goes 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs? Would you still be happy with the signing?
The author was comparing Cousins with other top 10 passer rating QBs who had bad run games and a bad defense. I can't see Brees, Rodgers, or Wilson not making the playoffs with a top 3 defense and Diggs and Thielen to throw the ball too can you?
Stump if you want to hold on to the negativity you will always find reasons that fit your thinking. 10-6 if it happens is not a bad season. I'm hopeful of better. If we move up to average blocking for Run and Pass I think Cousins can take us a long way. If he gets that and doesn't produce my opinion of him will be diminished. I think that is moot, because with a run game and good pass blocking we are going to rock.
I am sorry, but I have seen this team go 13-3 with a journeyman backup QB as a starter. If they fixed the run game and if Kubiak fixes the play calling, how is 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs acceptable with a guy who is supposedly the answer at QB?
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 10:15 pm
Stump if you want to hold on to the negativity you will always find reasons that fit your thinking. 10-6 if it happens is not a bad season. I'm hopeful of better. If we move up to average blocking for Run and Pass I think Cousins can take us a long way. If he gets that and doesn't produce my opinion of him will be diminished. I think that is moot, because with a run game and good pass blocking we are going to rock.
I am sorry, but I have seen this team go 13-3 with a journeyman backup QB as a starter. If they fixed the run game and if Kubiak fixes the play calling, how is 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs acceptable with a guy who is supposedly the answer at QB?
You're too caught up in the record. I've explained a million times, our schedule was a joke that year, especially our road schedule. Case played 4 playoff teams that year and went 2-2 and had a joke of division to play. Chicago was terrible, Detroit was terrible and the Packers without Rodgers might as well be considered the '79 Bucs. Case was beyond lucky all year and it showed in the playoffs vs the Saints and it showed even more when he came back to earth vs Philly. Put Case Keenum on our team last year. We wouldnt have touched the playoffs. We wouldnt have touched 8-7-1. He wouldnt have last with Flip as an OC and the weight on his shoulders. There is a reason the guy is STILL a journeyman even after a 13-3 season. You believed in the 13-3 season by Case Keenum but nobody in the league does. Mike Zimmer didnt. Rick Spielman didnt. Most fans on here didnt. Only the worst QB eye in the NFL gave him a contract, John Elway. Now desperate teams like Washington go after him. This Vikings team is good and it can go far if everything falls into place but that's the key. Offense is playing well, OL is playing well. We're running the ball well. The defense is top of the league and so on. Cousins played 7 playoff teams and 2 Packer games with Rodgers. That's 9 legit games right there. 6 of those 9 games were on the road. This is exactly why I take a record with a grain of salt. 13-3 and 10-6 arent a whole lot different to me. That doesnt mean our team is "worse" than the 13-3 team. Case would have been a dumpster fire last year with that schedule and Flip calling the shots. If you or anyone doesnt believe that, I truly question your football knowledge.
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-Chazz Palminteri
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 10:15 pm
Stump if you want to hold on to the negativity you will always find reasons that fit your thinking. 10-6 if it happens is not a bad season. I'm hopeful of better. If we move up to average blocking for Run and Pass I think Cousins can take us a long way. If he gets that and doesn't produce my opinion of him will be diminished. I think that is moot, because with a run game and good pass blocking we are going to rock.
I am sorry, but I have seen this team go 13-3 with a journeyman backup QB as a starter. If they fixed the run game and if Kubiak fixes the play calling, how is 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs acceptable with a guy who is supposedly the answer at QB?
Where did I say 10-6 and a 1 and done was acceptable. I said 10-6 is not a bad season. I didn't say anything about it being acceptable.
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 9:54 pm
That would be great, but seems unlikely with his past history. What if he has another .500 season or goes 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs? Would you still be happy with the signing?
The author was comparing Cousins with other top 10 passer rating QBs who had bad run games and a bad defense. I can't see Brees, Rodgers, or Wilson not making the playoffs with a top 3 defense and Diggs and Thielen to throw the ball too can you?
Vikings are actually in a pretty nice position at quarterback. Either Cousins proves his worth and Minnesota competes for a Super Bowl or he’s trash and that puts the Vikings in position to draft one of Tua, Herbert or Fromm next April with one year remaining on Cousins contract.
The author was comparing Cousins with other top 10 passer rating QBs who had bad run games and a bad defense. I can't see Brees, Rodgers, or Wilson not making the playoffs with a top 3 defense and Diggs and Thielen to throw the ball too can you?
Again, I feel like you’re digging here. Aaron Rodgers won 6 games this year. SIX! His defense was at league average. They were 18th in total defense. 12th against the pass and 22nd against the run. So ok, their run defense was weak. He has one of the better WRs in the game in Adams along with graham, Cobb and a few that contributed here and there. He also had the 7th best OL according to PFF. Their run game was underrated because they did what we did and never ran the ball. They were 2nd in YPC at 5.0. Only team ahead of them was Carolina at 5.1. So let’s not sit here and act like Aaron Rodgers had nothing around him. That’s the “BEST” QB in the game we’re talking here. And he won 6 games and was also DRASTICALLY outplayed by Kirk cousins both times they faced each other. Not trying to compare those two but it’s more than just “having talent around you”. You need a lot to fall into place to make a run in this league. You don’t just throw all the talent in one room and automatically win a SB. Everyone is drooling over the Browns this year but I don’t think they will be nearly as good as people think. People are already pegging them to be in the running for the AFC championship game. They won’t touch KC or NE if you ask me. Idk if they could even beat a team like Indy or Pitt (although Pitt always struggles with them whether they are good or 0-16).
Point is, it’s not just about talent on your roster. There are SO many other things that need to go your way other than just a talented roster. And Aaron Rodgers still had plenty of talent around him to at least get to the playoffs and he couldn’t even get close. I get so ticked off when I see the packers are always predicted to finish better than us or are the favorites when we play each other. We have had Rodgers number as of late. We’ve lost to the packers ONE time since 2015. The guy struggles to beat us anymore and Zim has figured him out. No less I get sick of hearing he’s the best in the game. I honestly think he’s past that point right now. He definitely was for a stretch. But now, I think mahomes is without question. I think Brady is better as well. I would even say Brees and Luck too. I can tell you the guy won’t make another SB IMO
The saddest thing in life is wasted talent and the choices you make will shape your life forever.
-Chazz Palminteri
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 9:54 pm
That would be great, but seems unlikely with his past history. What if he has another .500 season or goes 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs? Would you still be happy with the signing?
The author was comparing Cousins with other top 10 passer rating QBs who had bad run games and a bad defense. I can't see Brees, Rodgers, or Wilson not making the playoffs with a top 3 defense and Diggs and Thielen to throw the ball too can you?
Vikings are actually in a pretty nice position at quarterback. Either Cousins proves his worth and Minnesota competes for a Super Bowl or he’s trash and that puts the Vikings in position to draft one of Tua, Herbert or Fromm next April with one year remaining on Cousins contract.
I disagree. I think Cousins is an above average QB and there is little chance the Vikings lose more than 8 games next season without things going horribly wrong.
The most likely scenario is the one I said above, 10-6 and one and done in the playoffs. Not good enough for many fans of this franchise, but good enough for the sycophants to continue to support Rich and Cousins and maybe even good enough for Rick to give the guy an extension. The one bright spot is that the CBA expires in 2021 and that may be an uncapped year. The Vikings might hold off extending Cousins until that year, and surely 3 years of mediocrity is enough to prove the guy isn't worth a huge cap hit, right?
