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Also just an FYI.... under Kevin, our OC. our 3rd WR in week 16 and 17 used the 3rd WR on 52 and 61% of the snaps respectively. Treadwell 31 and 24% but but but KUBIAK!

That was then this is now. I have a hard time believing that they brought it Kubiak to NOT run his offense. During the draft the analysts were calling every pick a Kubiak pick. Never once heard them call a player a Stefanski pick. You could certainly be right and I'm with you that the teams can make lots of mistakes, but I'd put my money on Brad, I mean Matt? or was it Mike being right. Percy.

It's Mike

[Pondering Her Percy]

The analysts don't know what type of offense Kevin runs.

.....Do you?

This offense will be a merger of both and we will need someone to step up at 3rd WR.

Dude, you're basing Stefanski's offense off of what? The 3 games he was the OC last year? Actually not even. You wouldnt count week 15 because we ran the crap out of the ball. So even better, lets just use weeks 16 and 17, look up the #3 WRs snap count knowing he's running Flips offense of all people and judge him off of that. He ran FLIP's offense. He didnt change it. You're acting like Kubiak is a run heavy guy and Stefanski is a pass heavy guy just because you saw some bogus stat that the #3 WR was on the field more in weeks 16 and 17 last year. You're thinking we need a #3 WR to step up because of that? The assumption that Stefanski is a heavy 3 WR OC because of 2 games last year? Come on. Stefanksi is going to run the damn ball and he's going to do it a lot. That's why he was hired, that's why Kubiak was hired. They are going to do what Zim wants and that's to pound the ball. Something Flip didnt do. Stop kidding yourself. What I can guarantee we will need, is a 2nd RB to step up. We didnt have a #3 WR "step up" in 2017 and were 1 game away from a SB. Even if Cook is healthy, they arent going to run him into the ground. Especially when they have a RB that can carry a load and catch the ball out of the backfield. If we needed a #3 WR THAT BAD and they were THAT worried, we would have taken one much earlier. We needed a backup RB. It's not just "sure", we needed a backup RB. We 100% did. Because we have a great starter but one that hasnt came close to playing a full season yet. Dalvin Cook has missed more games in two years (17) than Stefon Diggs has missed in four years (9)....and it's not even close. Thielen hasnt missed a game in two years. No less RBs take way more of a beating that WRs do. There is a much larger concern at RB. Not WR. And it's a big reason why the Mattison pick made sense. Especially given Mattison's skill set.

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Also just an FYI.... under Kevin, our OC. our 3rd WR in week 16 and 17 used the 3rd WR on 52 and 61% of the snaps respectively. Treadwell 31 and 24% but but but KUBIAK!

They were still running flips offense so what does that stat prove?? The players even said it. Nothing really changed, it was just how plays were called. You dont just change and implement a new offense with 3 weeks left in the season. No less you left out week 15 against Miami when we ran the crap out of the ball.....and Kevin, our OC, was calling the plays.

Also, Treadwell didnt run 31% of the snaps in week 16. That was week 15 against Miami. He didnt play a lick in week 16. And against Miami, Treadwell didnt even play and Robinson was targeted twice all game. Thats where the true change happened. When Stefanski took over, Treadwell's playing time was drastically cut down and Robinson was used instead. But just based off of that, doesnt mean that's how Stefanski runs his offense. How many 2 WR sets or less did Flip has in his playbook you think? Way less than you think I can bet money on that.

Running the ball in Miami says nothing about the formations used. Running Flips offense says nothing about the formations used. If Kevin wanted to use WRs less, he would have. You're grasping at straws right now.

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The analysts don't know what type of offense Kevin runs.

.....Do you?

This offense will be a merger of both and we will need someone to step up at 3rd WR.

Dude, you're basing Stefanski's offense off of what? The 3 games he was the OC last year? Actually not even. You wouldnt count week 15 because we ran the crap out of the ball. So even better, lets just use weeks 16 and 17, look up the #3 WRs snap count knowing he's running Flips offense of all people and judge him off of that. He ran FLIP's offense. He didnt change it. You're acting like Kubiak is a run heavy guy and Stefanski is a pass heavy guy just because you saw some bogus stat that the #3 WR was on the field more in weeks 16 and 17 last year. You're thinking we need a #3 WR to step up because of that? The assumption that Stefanski is a heavy 3 WR OC because of 2 games last year? Come on. Stefanksi is going to run the damn ball and he's going to do it a lot. That's why he was hired, that's why Kubiak was hired. They are going to do what Zim wants and that's to pound the ball. Something Flip didnt do. Stop kidding yourself. What I can guarantee we will need, is a 2nd RB to step up. We didnt have a #3 WR "step up" in 2017 and were 1 game away from a SB. Even if Cook is healthy, they arent going to run him into the ground. Especially when they have a RB that can carry a load and catch the ball out of the backfield. If we needed a #3 WR THAT BAD and they were THAT worried, we would have taken one much earlier. We needed a backup RB. It's not just "sure", we needed a backup RB. We 100% did. Because we have a great starter but one that hasnt came close to playing a full season yet. Dalvin Cook has missed more games in two years (17) than Stefon Diggs has missed in four years (9)....and it's not even close. Thielen hasnt missed a game in two years. No less RBs take way more of a beating that WRs do. There is a much larger concern at RB. Not WR. And it's a big reason why the Mattison pick made sense. Especially given Mattison's skill set.

You are ranting here now that your Kubiak stat is meaningless. I haven't said any of the things you are accusing me of. You are also going in circles. I pointed out that in 2017 we ignored a more important need to draft a CB. The FO has proven to be fallible. You can't use their drafting priority as a measurement of positional need value. We drafted a CB who missed most of the season and still had a top 4 defense.

[Pondering Her Percy]

They were still running flips offense so what does that stat prove?? The players even said it. Nothing really changed, it was just how plays were called. You dont just change and implement a new offense with 3 weeks left in the season. No less you left out week 15 against Miami when we ran the crap out of the ball.....and Kevin, our OC, was calling the plays.

Also, Treadwell didnt run 31% of the snaps in week 16. That was week 15 against Miami. He didnt play a lick in week 16. And against Miami, Treadwell didnt even play and Robinson was targeted twice all game. Thats where the true change happened. When Stefanski took over, Treadwell's playing time was drastically cut down and Robinson was used instead. But just based off of that, doesnt mean that's how Stefanski runs his offense. How many 2 WR sets or less did Flip has in his playbook you think? Way less than you think I can bet money on that.

Running the ball in Miami says nothing about the formations used. Running Flips offense says nothing about the formations used. If Kevin wanted to use WRs less, he would have. You're grasping at straws right now.

Lol how does the Miami game not count but week 16 and 17 formations count? And I’m not even close to grasping straws. He wasn’t able to use his own offense. He couldn’t just implement new plays and formations in a 3 week span. That’s just common sense. You’re literally basing your opinion off of basically 2 of 3 weeks stefanski was the OC in an offense that wasn’t even his own and had nothing brought in by Gary Kubiak (someone that doesn’t use #3s nearly as often as Flip did). Talk about grasping straws dude.

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If we draft Hernandez last year, our OL would have been Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Hernandez and Remmers. Remmers would still have to end up being an offseason cut, Compton walks, so now we're down to Reiff, Elflein and Hernandez.
Say we still drafted Bradbury....what were we going to do at RT?

We probably could have invested the same resources into Klein and drafted Taylor.
So now your Oline is Reiff, Hernandez, Elflein, Klein and Taylor. You could still draft a Center in the 3rd. Eric McCoy i think. Given that we took a Center from the eligible draft teams, one of the centers should have been available. So add possibly McCoy to that list. You overrated Oniel. He gave up 0 sack but gave up lots of pressure. He was average. There is a good chance he improves but you talk about him like he's Ogden.

What sounds better:

Reiff, Elflein, Bradbury, Hernandez, and probably Rashod Hill (or try and overpay for a junk free agent like Ju'Wuan James or Billy Turner)

or

Reiff, Elflein, Bradbury, Kline and O'Neill

You created a poor scenario to begin with.
Reilly, Pat - MCoy - Hernandez - Taylor sound pretty good. We still have a free fouth pick and Klein on the bench. That sound like a better line to me.

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Running the ball in Miami says nothing about the formations used. Running Flips offense says nothing about the formations used. If Kevin wanted to use WRs less, he would have. You're grasping at straws right now.

Lol how does the Miami game not count but week 16 and 17 formations count? And I’m not even close to grasping straws. He wasn’t able to use his own offense. He couldn’t just implement new plays and formations in a 3 week span. That’s just common sense. You’re literally basing your opinion off of basically 2 of 3 weeks stefanski was the OC in an offense that wasn’t even his own and had nothing brought in by Gary Kubiak (someone that doesn’t use #3s nearly as often as Flip did). Talk about grasping straws dude.

I didn't say it didn't count. I said simply saying we ran the ball doesn't say what formations we ran from. Even though we were using another OCs playbook, the vast majority of the league have the same plays and formations. If we wanted to run more double TE we would have in those games. The OC felt our best chance to win involved more WRs. It gives the team more flexibility to call games on a game by game basis. We can go double TE or 3 WR depending on the team we are playing. Pigeon holding oneself into double TE only negates this and makes us predictable.

[Pondering Her Percy]

.....Do you?



Dude, you're basing Stefanski's offense off of what? The 3 games he was the OC last year? Actually not even. You wouldnt count week 15 because we ran the crap out of the ball. So even better, lets just use weeks 16 and 17, look up the #3 WRs snap count knowing he's running Flips offense of all people and judge him off of that. He ran FLIP's offense. He didnt change it. You're acting like Kubiak is a run heavy guy and Stefanski is a pass heavy guy just because you saw some bogus stat that the #3 WR was on the field more in weeks 16 and 17 last year. You're thinking we need a #3 WR to step up because of that? The assumption that Stefanski is a heavy 3 WR OC because of 2 games last year? Come on. Stefanksi is going to run the damn ball and he's going to do it a lot. That's why he was hired, that's why Kubiak was hired. They are going to do what Zim wants and that's to pound the ball. Something Flip didnt do. Stop kidding yourself. What I can guarantee we will need, is a 2nd RB to step up. We didnt have a #3 WR "step up" in 2017 and were 1 game away from a SB. Even if Cook is healthy, they arent going to run him into the ground. Especially when they have a RB that can carry a load and catch the ball out of the backfield. If we needed a #3 WR THAT BAD and they were THAT worried, we would have taken one much earlier. We needed a backup RB. It's not just "sure", we needed a backup RB. We 100% did. Because we have a great starter but one that hasnt came close to playing a full season yet. Dalvin Cook has missed more games in two years (17) than Stefon Diggs has missed in four years (9)....and it's not even close. Thielen hasnt missed a game in two years. No less RBs take way more of a beating that WRs do. There is a much larger concern at RB. Not WR. And it's a big reason why the Mattison pick made sense. Especially given Mattison's skill set.

You are ranting here now that your Kubiak stat is meaningless. I haven't said any of the things you are accusing me of. You are also going in circles. I pointed out that in 2017 we ignored a more important need to draft a CB. The FO has proven to be fallible. You can't use their drafting priority as a measurement of positional need value. We drafted a CB who missed most of the season and still had a top 4 defense.

How is my Kubiak stat meaningless? I wasn’t even the one that initially brought it up. I believe it was Kapp. But I don’t get why you’re so confident that you somehow proved it to be wrong. You’ve provided nothing other than a 2 game window of Stefanskis “offensive sets” at the end of a season. Clearly they didn’t bring Gary Kubiak so they could throw the ball 40 times a game. You really have no argument and then you try to deflect by saying I’m just ranting above. It’s not me ranting, it’s just you not having an answer to any of it. You’re so worried about a #3 WR when our starting RB has missed nearly double the games in 2 less years than one of our elite WRs and the other hasn’t missed a game. And again, if they really wanted or thought they needed a third guy so bad, they would have drafted one. It very well could be mitchell who knows. But bottom line is, this staff believed RB was a much bigger need given we were going to be running more and we have a starter that can’t stay healthy. Nobody is saying the FO can’t be wrong but the reason they took him makes complete sense given what they are trying to do. You’re having a hard time understanding that. I’m not sure what else to tell you man.

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You are ranting here now that your Kubiak stat is meaningless. I haven't said any of the things you are accusing me of. You are also going in circles. I pointed out that in 2017 we ignored a more important need to draft a CB. The FO has proven to be fallible. You can't use their drafting priority as a measurement of positional need value. We drafted a CB who missed most of the season and still had a top 4 defense.

How is my Kubiak stat meaningless? I wasn’t even the one that initially brought it up. I believe it was Kapp. But I don’t get why you’re so confident that you somehow proved it to be wrong. You’ve provided nothing other than a 2 game window of Stefanskis “offensive sets” at the end of a season. Clearly they didn’t bring Gary Kubiak so they could throw the ball 40 times a game. You really have no argument and then you try to deflect by saying I’m just ranting above. It’s not me ranting, it’s just you not having an answer to any of it. You’re so worried about a #3 WR when our starting RB has missed nearly double the games in 2 less years than one of our elite WRs and the other hasn’t missed a game. And again, if they really wanted or thought they needed a third guy so bad, they would have drafted one. It very well could be mitchell who knows. But bottom line is, this staff believed RB was a much bigger need given we were going to be running more and we have a starter that can’t stay healthy. Nobody is saying the FO can’t be wrong but the reason they took him makes complete sense given what they are trying to do. You’re having a hard time understanding that. I’m not sure what else to tell you man.

But you don't have to explain it. You're talking to a guy that almost always took Henderson or Hill in his mock draft. I see RB as a need ( I took them in the 4th and 5th but I knew they would be gone 2nd - 4th). I also believe they brought in Kubiak for a reason. I don't think it is simply to run his offense as you believe. If so, they would have hired him as OC and fired Kevin. I think this will be a joint venture and neither you and I know what that means for formation wise. I don't care what the FO thinks was more important. They are batting .500 to me about needs (Bradbury this year vs. last year).

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Also your WR list of FA is wrong.
Kearse - Can't stay healthy
Nelson - Retired
Baldwin - Retired
Crabtree is 32 in Sept and has lost a step.
Dontrelle Inman - Solid guy.

So your WR list has 1 solid guy.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Also your WR list of FA is wrong.
Kearse - Can't stay healthy
Nelson - Retired
Baldwin - Retired
Crabtree is 32 in Sept and has lost a step.
Dontrelle Inman - Solid guy.

So your WR list has 1 solid guy.

Dude what? Never did I mention Baldwin or Inman first of all. Lol. I mentioned Garcon and Matthews. Kearse can’t stay healthy? He had an Achilles injury last year and missed 2 games. Outside of that, he was actually pretty good for the jets in 2017 and didn’t miss a single game in 2015, 2016 and 2017. So I guess missing 2 games in 4 years must mean a guy can’t stay healthy? Crabtree had the worst passing QB in the nfl throwing to him last year but is still a very solid WR. Yeah I forgot Nelson retired. But outside of that, Kearse, Crabtree, Matthews and Garcon are all solid options and I could even name a few more. I mean you’re saying Inman is solid. So I have no idea what you’re talking about here. You didn’t even name the right guys and didn’t really make a good assessment for any of them outside of recognizing Nelson ended up retiring. You might wanna check that list again. And while you’re at it, look at the trash RBs available