PHP's "Draft Day is almost here" Mock

[StumpHunter]

Yes! Those yards helped his team win, WHICH IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

No you didn’t. You said he was overrated period and in a later post said he was a good athlete but not a great passer. I think you realized how bad your initial take was and walked it back a bit.

YOU brought up and compared him to Cousins. Wilson helped his team win, Cousins helped his team lose. Who had the better game?

What are you basing this idea that Wilson is not a good of a passer as Ryan or Cousins? I mean, maybe in practice Ryan and Cousins throw the ball better, who knows, but in games, Wilson is by far the superior QB statistically. Throwing the football. Not scrambling. This, without Jones, Sanu, Garcon, Jackson, Diggs or Treadwell and with a horrible line every season.

I never said he was overrated period? Who’s going to say his athleticism and scrambling ability is overrated. I didn’t walk back one bit. That’s you try to twist my opinion into something it never was. IMO he’s overrated as a pure passer. That’s my take. Think what you want, it doesn’t change my mind. I wasn’t directly comparing him to cousins? That’s something you wanted to argue given how much you can’t stand cousins. All I said was that cousins and others are better pure passers IMO than Wilson is. There’s no questioning his athleticism, scrambling ability, etc

What evidence do you have that Cousins is a better pure passer?

[StumpHunter]

I personally think Wilson is overrated. I mean granted he makes plays with his legs because his OL has been one of the worst pass blocking OLs in the nfl for a while now but when he has a bad game, it’s pretty darn bad. He doesn’t turn the ball over a ton but he struggles to move the ball down field. I mean he threw for 70 yards against us this year. That’s pretty darn bad if you ask me. It’s just we played so poorly that we couldn’t get a win. But they relied on their run game this year because I don’t think they trust Wilson putting the game on his back. He sure couldn’t against us. He’s made some great plays over the years but I just think he’s blown up more than he should be. The amount of games over his career where he couldn’t throw a TD in is quite astonishing.

Here is where you said he was overrated. Nowhere do you write the words "pure" or "passer" for that matter.

What you wrote was literally, "Wilson is overrated period" Not as a pure passer, just that he was overrated.

How do you deny that?

[Pondering Her Percy]

I personally think Wilson is overrated. I mean granted he makes plays with his legs because his OL has been one of the worst pass blocking OLs in the nfl for a while now but when he has a bad game, it’s pretty darn bad. He doesn’t turn the ball over a ton but he struggles to move the ball down field. I mean he threw for 70 yards against us this year. That’s pretty darn bad if you ask me. It’s just we played so poorly that we couldn’t get a win. But they relied on their run game this year because I don’t think they trust Wilson putting the game on his back. He sure couldn’t against us. He’s made some great plays over the years but I just think he’s blown up more than he should be. The amount of games over his career where he couldn’t throw a TD in is quite astonishing.

Here is where you said he was overrated. Nowhere do you write the words "pure" or "passer" for that matter.

What you wrote was literally, "Wilson is overrated period" Not as a pure passer, just that he was overrated.

How do you deny that?

I said I personally thought Wilson was overrated and then went into explaining myself. How do you not see that? I know what I said. And I stand by thinking he’s an overrated passer. You don’t agree? So be it. Not sure what else you’re trying to prove

[Pondering Her Percy]

I never said he was overrated period? Who’s going to say his athleticism and scrambling ability is overrated. I didn’t walk back one bit. That’s you try to twist my opinion into something it never was. IMO he’s overrated as a pure passer. That’s my take. Think what you want, it doesn’t change my mind. I wasn’t directly comparing him to cousins? That’s something you wanted to argue given how much you can’t stand cousins. All I said was that cousins and others are better pure passers IMO than Wilson is. There’s no questioning his athleticism, scrambling ability, etc

What evidence do you have that Cousins is a better pure passer?

What evidence is there that Wilson is a better pure passer? It’s more the eye test than anything. I’m not saying Wilson is a bad QB by any means. I just think he’s blown up to be more than he is. Mainly when it comes to being a pure passer. There is no denying the other attributes to his game. But just google, “Russell wilson overrated” and you get plenty of results. From analysts, sports illustrated, fox sports, message boards, etc. You act like I’m in the minority here but I’m really not. Myself and many others share the same opinion. Again I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, I'm not saying he can’t win but he’s not a top 5 pure passing QB in this league IMO. Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Rivers, Ryan, Ben, cousins and Goff are all better pure passing QBs than he is. That’s 10 alone. Add in his scrambling ability and he moves up that list some but there are still others he isn’t touching.

[YikesVikes]

What evidence do you have that Cousins is a better pure passer?

What evidence is there that Wilson is a better pure passer? It’s more the eye test than anything. I’m not saying Wilson is a bad QB by any means. I just think he’s blown up to be more than he is. Mainly when it comes to being a pure passer. There is no denying the other attributes to his game. But just google, “Russell wilson overrated” and you get plenty of results. From analysts, sports illustrated, fox sports, message boards, etc. You act like I’m in the minority here but I’m really not. Myself and many others share the same opinion. Again I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, I'm not saying he can’t win but he’s not a top 5 pure passing QB in this league IMO. Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Rivers, Ryan, Ben, cousins and Goff are all better pure passing QBs than he is. That’s 10 alone. Add in his scrambling ability and he moves up that list some but there are still others he isn’t touching.

I don't get you point. You seem to be going back and forth. If you are talking about pure passer, then most of the guys you listed are better pure passers but then you talked about adding in his rushing ability. Wilson as a QB is a top 5 guy. He is better at this point than Brees, Luck, Rivers.... That isn't arguable. He's fantastic. He's not just a rusher, he buys time and makes plays.

[Pondering Her Percy]

What evidence is there that Wilson is a better pure passer? It’s more the eye test than anything. I’m not saying Wilson is a bad QB by any means. I just think he’s blown up to be more than he is. Mainly when it comes to being a pure passer. There is no denying the other attributes to his game. But just google, “Russell wilson overrated” and you get plenty of results. From analysts, sports illustrated, fox sports, message boards, etc. You act like I’m in the minority here but I’m really not. Myself and many others share the same opinion. Again I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, I'm not saying he can’t win but he’s not a top 5 pure passing QB in this league IMO. Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Rivers, Ryan, Ben, cousins and Goff are all better pure passing QBs than he is. That’s 10 alone. Add in his scrambling ability and he moves up that list some but there are still others he isn’t touching.

I don't get you point. You seem to be going back and forth. If you are talking about pure passer, then most of the guys you listed are better pure passers but then you talked about adding in his rushing ability. Wilson as a QB is a top 5 guy. He is better at this point than Brees, Luck, Rivers.... That isn't arguable. He's fantastic. He's not just a rusher, he buys time and makes plays.

Right? My whole argument is that he’s an overrated pure passer. You seem to agree. Even given his rushing ability, if I’m starting a franchise, I still take guys like luck over Wilson.

[YikesVikes]

I don't get you point. You seem to be going back and forth. If you are talking about pure passer, then most of the guys you listed are better pure passers but then you talked about adding in his rushing ability. Wilson as a QB is a top 5 guy. He is better at this point than Brees, Luck, Rivers.... That isn't arguable. He's fantastic. He's not just a rusher, he buys time and makes plays.

Right? My whole argument is that he’s an overrated pure passer. You seem to agree. Even given his rushing ability, if I’m starting a franchise, I still take guys like luck over Wilson.

I hold him in the Brady/Rogers tier. He's a better QB than all of those guys.

[StumpHunter]

What evidence do you have that Cousins is a better pure passer?

What evidence is there that Wilson is a better pure passer? It’s more the eye test than anything. I’m not saying Wilson is a bad QB by any means. I just think he’s blown up to be more than he is. Mainly when it comes to being a pure passer. There is no denying the other attributes to his game. But just google, “Russell wilson overrated” and you get plenty of results. From analysts, sports illustrated, fox sports, message boards, etc. You act like I’m in the minority here but I’m really not. Myself and many others share the same opinion. Again I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, I'm not saying he can’t win but he’s not a top 5 pure passing QB in this league IMO. Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Rivers, Ryan, Ben, cousins and Goff are all better pure passing QBs than he is. That’s 10 alone. Add in his scrambling ability and he moves up that list some but there are still others he isn’t touching.

WTF, because guys blog about him being overrated, that makes Wilson an overrated QB?

I guess Tom Brady is overrated too then:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tom+Bra ... e&ie=UTF-8

Plenty of results there, must make it true.

Usain Bolt isn't the fastest guy in the world because he doesn't LOOK like he is running as fast as some other guys. Who cares if he sets records and wins races, doesn't pass the eye test.

Wilson is SECOND in passer rating behind only Rodgers. 7th in Completion percentage despite being an "inacurate passer", 4th in INT %, SECOND in TD %, and FIRST in YPA. This despite a horrible line pretty much his whole career and Doug Baldwin as his best WR.

I suggest moving on before digging yourself a deeper hole.

[Pondering Her Percy]

What evidence is there that Wilson is a better pure passer? It’s more the eye test than anything. I’m not saying Wilson is a bad QB by any means. I just think he’s blown up to be more than he is. Mainly when it comes to being a pure passer. There is no denying the other attributes to his game. But just google, “Russell wilson overrated” and you get plenty of results. From analysts, sports illustrated, fox sports, message boards, etc. You act like I’m in the minority here but I’m really not. Myself and many others share the same opinion. Again I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, I'm not saying he can’t win but he’s not a top 5 pure passing QB in this league IMO. Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Rivers, Ryan, Ben, cousins and Goff are all better pure passing QBs than he is. That’s 10 alone. Add in his scrambling ability and he moves up that list some but there are still others he isn’t touching.

WTF, because guys blog about him being overrated, that makes Wilson an overrated QB?

I guess Tom Brady is overrated too then:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tom+Bra ... e&ie=UTF-8

Plenty of results there, must make it true.

Usain Bolt isn't the fastest guy in the world because he doesn't LOOK like he is running as fast as some other guys. Who cares if he sets records and wins races, doesn't pass the eye test.

Wilson is SECOND in passer rating behind only Rodgers. 7th in Completion percentage despite being an "inacurate passer", 4th in INT %, SECOND in TD %, and FIRST in YPA. This despite a horrible line pretty much his whole career and Doug Baldwin as his best WR.

I suggest moving on before digging yourself a deeper hole.

Lol ok dude relax. I said analysts as well as sports illustrated and fox sports have articles on it but all you read was “guys blog about him”? You aren’t proving anything to me. My opinion is that he’s an overrated passer. Never said he was bad, never said he couldn’t throw a football, simply said he was overrated as a passer compared to what he’s blown up to be. You’re trying too hard to make it more than it is. You’re getting a little too upset over this.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Right? My whole argument is that he’s an overrated pure passer. You seem to agree. Even given his rushing ability, if I’m starting a franchise, I still take guys like luck over Wilson.

I hold him in the Brady/Rogers tier. He's a better QB than all of those guys.

That’s where we disagree. Wilson couldn’t hold Brady’s or Mahomes jock strap if you ask me. Same goes for Brees and Rodgers. Those guys are in the elite tier. Wilson is not elite

[StumpHunter]

I hold him in the Brady/Rogers tier. He's a better QB than all of those guys.

That’s where we disagree. Wilson couldn’t hold Brady’s or Mahomes jock strap if you ask me. Same goes for Brees and Rodgers. Those guys are in the elite tier. Wilson is not elite

He just wins like an elite QB and has the passing stats of an elite QB. Great take guy.

[Pondering Her Percy]

That’s where we disagree. Wilson couldn’t hold Brady’s or Mahomes jock strap if you ask me. Same goes for Brees and Rodgers. Those guys are in the elite tier. Wilson is not elite

He just wins like an elite QB and has the passing stats of an elite QB. Great take guy.

I just deleted my reply. Agree to disagree. I’m not getting into a battle with you over this when it has nothing to do with the draft or the Vikings

[YikesVikes]

I hold him in the Brady/Rogers tier. He's a better QB than all of those guys.

That’s where we disagree. Wilson couldn’t hold Brady’s or Mahomes jock strap if you ask me. Same goes for Brees and Rodgers. Those guys are in the elite tier. Wilson is not elite

I respect your opinion but I just dont see it. The guy is as elite as they come. He is everything you want in a QB.

[Pondering Her Percy]

That’s where we disagree. Wilson couldn’t hold Brady’s or Mahomes jock strap if you ask me. Same goes for Brees and Rodgers. Those guys are in the elite tier. Wilson is not elite

I respect your opinion but I just dont see it. The guy is as elite as they come. He is everything you want in a QB.

As I do yours. It’s just Wilson doesn’t belong in the same conversation as guys like Brady, Mahomes, etc. That’s as elite as they come. And they do it with average to below average defenses. It’s just a difference in opinion. I know Wilson is highly touted by some. I’m just not one of those fans that falls into that category

[CharVike]

Cousins essentially did do that...in a Chicago game where we needed to win to keep our season going. Except Cousins didn't rush for 60 yards like Wilson did against us.

Heck, in that very Seattle game he was even less effective than Russell and it was only a garbage time drive that makes his stats look okay in that game. The guy was responsible for as many points for Seattle as he was for the Vikes in that game.

Someone better tell Seattle they just gave 35 million per year to a guy who they don't trust to throw the football.

Oh so since he ran for 60 yards that makes up for his horrid passing numbers? I specifically said in my post that I think Wilson is an overrated pure passer. You turned this into comparing him to cousins and then adding in that he ran for 60 yards against us. Ok? I don’t care how much he runs for. I don’t care that cousins doesn’t scramble. I was talking about Wilson as a pure passer. Guys thought newton and kap were great at one point too. But neither could throw the ball worth a damn. Wilson is a better passer than both of them but he isn’t comparable as a passer to guys like Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Cousins, etc

I wouldn't want a running QB. Brady is a statue and h's done fine. Yes Wilson won a SB. I won't take that away from him. But that D was a monster also.