Vikings @ Lions Game Day Discussion Thread -- Thanksgiving

[Maelstrom88]

It isn't even a dink and dunk offense. Where is the DUNKING?!? I understand the O-Line is an injured atrocity, but find some ways to pass around the first down marker. Its the dink and dink and dink some more "offense." It was so embarrassing to get the 15 yard penalty and dink dink dink our way to 8 yards and you all know it!

What is our average passing yards per attempt and what is just what the offense scores touchdown wise, not the kickers and returners and special teams, just how many touchdowns? It has to be under 2 a game right now.

This offense has ZERO PERCENT MOJO without Diggs.

Exactly. 3rd and 14 and they throw it 6 yards! It looks great for the completion percentage but won't win you games.

[Pondering Her Percy]

What are his yards per attempt over the years? Right at 6 I would wager. The Bradford/Shurmur offense is boring and does not produce points. Completion percentage and TD to interception ratio looks good because it's all thrown within 3 yards of the Los and risks are kept at a minimum. If you like scoring 13 ppg then Bradford and Shurmur are your guys. No reason why you can't keep extra blockers in and take a shot every now and then. They run so many short routes that if they ever pump faked a short route and the receiver broke off it to go deep it would probably fool everyone.

What types of routes do you expect when you have an OL like we do? Sorry it's too "boring" for you but what else can you do when the line is this bad? There isn't much. At all.

[Hunter Morrow]

If bradford isnt your man, who is? Shaun Hill?

[fiestavike]

And 1 clearly isn't Bradford given his numbers. But keep going you're on a roll

ah the vaunted numbers. realm of the ignorant.

[Pondering Her Percy]

If bradford isnt your man, who is? Shaun Hill?

Touché. We made it with teddy last year. He isn't much different than Sam. But for whatever reason, guys want to blame sam. Another dose of, this offense is terrible and we need to do this and that yet nobody has any type of solution to fix it. It is what it is. This team was murdered by injuries. Literally murdered. Nobody in the NFL could've overcame these type of injuries. Let's face reality. Not think we know what the solution is when we really dont

[Jordysghost]

ah the vaunted numbers. realm of the ignorant.

(Facepalm)

[Pondering Her Percy]

ah the vaunted numbers. realm of the ignorant.

Now I'm ignorant huh? Because Shaun hill is solid right? And this OL is solid right? And these running backs are good right? And you want to sit there and blame a guy that led us on a 5-0 start and has been butt raped because of his OL. Has had solid numbers all year and has done well protecting the ball. But yeah I'm ignorant. Time to open your eyes pal

[RFIP]

What types of routes do you expect when you have an OL like we do? Sorry it's too "boring" for you but what else can you do when the line is this bad? There isn't much. At all.

Your on your 4 OT, your C got hurt in the first half, your far and away best wr is hurt (again), your on the road in the biggest game of the year and you want what exactly? You want your QB to take 7 step drops and throw it to who exactly? They were on Theilen and Rudolph with 2-3 guys forcing the ball to the rb's or real short stuff.

Does everyone forget the FIRST drive of the game where Clemmings was run around (again) like a pylon, almost causing a huge turn over? Or the NEXT play where Sam throws it on the back shoulder to Treadwell to keep it away from the db, and he looked like he had no idea it was coming as it bounced off his shoulder for what should have been an int? (Bad PI call).

Sam is an easy target, just go on twitter now and see how he was supposed to solve world hunger today; "Big winner today is Eagles...1st & 4th for Bradford?"

Someone remind me PLEASE, which QB today had his OL, receiver and RB in tact? Which was playing at home? Which one was getting all the love?

Somehow it's 13-13 with 40 seconds to play though huh?

And if not for Patterson lining up incorrectly who knows what might have happened.

Ah, what's the use...

[Iron Lion]

I've watched a lot of Bradford over the years living in St. Louis and being a Rams fan until they left. He always checks down. He was called Captain Check down by many fans here. He did the same thing in Philly. I get that the oline is garbage and Diggs was out but why can't they ever keep in an extra blocker or two and throw a bomb? When defenders don't respect your deep passing game because you won't even try to hit a long one you get interceptions like the one that lost this game. High completion percentage of passes that go 3 yards or less are not impressive.

Are you a multi team kind of guy or did you go 100% Rams and then switch to the local team when they left? Do you follow the Chiefs also? Just curious...

BTW, my dad is a lifelong Rams fan, from LA to St Louis and back again so I've seen my share of Bradford as well. I think Bradford has a golden arm, his problem is awareness. At every level. Pocket presence is horrible combined with an inability to read coverage. From what I see he just looks at primary guy then checks it down if it's not ultra safe. I remember one year, every audible he called except one was checking to a run.

[Pondering Her Percy]

RFIP....you're wasting your energy lol. Everyone wants to blame Sam when everything surrounding him is depleted

[Iron Lion]

Now I'm ignorant huh? Because Shaun hill is solid right? And this OL is solid right? And these running backs are good right? And you want to sit there and blame a guy that led us on a 5-0 start and has been butt raped because of his OL. Has had solid numbers all year and has done well protecting the ball. But yeah I'm ignorant. Time to open your eyes pal

4-0 start for Bradford. Hill is 1-0. This puts Bradford at .500 as your starter, as per his protocol.

I do think you guys have a Super Bowl caliber team. To be this close week after week with all the injuries is nothing short of phenomenal. At perfect health, you guys would be at 1 or 2 losses tops and favored next week at home against Dallas.

The window for Super Bowl teams built on defense and running is small but it will still be open next year. So I don't count the Vikings out at all.

[Maelstrom88]

What types of routes do you expect when you have an OL like we do? Sorry it's too "boring" for you but what else can you do when the line is this bad? There isn't much. At all.

You know the rules of football allow you to keep in extra blockers right? If say once per half they kept in a TE, FB, and a HB and took a shot I think they would be alright. Not saying every down but once in awhile would help prevent picks like the one that cost them this game.

[S197]

Fire Norv! Fire Shurmur! Throw quicker routes! He will get murdered with these five step drops! Stop running on 1st down! Throw it deep!

Did I cover all the bipolar bases?

If only they tried a double reverse to Patterson, run the wild cat, run the wild cat with a flea flicker, TE sweep, put Linval in at FB. So unoriginal! I want to see a triple option fumblerooski to Locke who statue of liberties to Bud Grant!

[Maelstrom88]

Are you a multi team kind of guy or did you go 100% Rams and then switch to the local team when they left? Do you follow the Chiefs also? Just curious...

BTW, my dad is a lifelong Rams fan, from LA to St Louis and back again so I've seen my share of Bradford as well. I think Bradford has a golden arm, his problem is awareness. At every level. Pocket presence is horrible combined with an inability to read coverage. From what I see he just looks at primary guy then checks it down if it's not ultra safe. I remember one year, every audible he called except one was checking to a run.

I was 100% Rams from the age of 10 to 26. When they moved I no longer wanted to cheer for them so I spent some time deciding on a new team. For awhile I was waffling between the Vikings, Broncos and Bucs.Growing up the Bucs were my second favorite and the Vikings were 3rd. I love the Vikings colors and helmet. I eliminated the Broncos pretty early bc I just could not get myself to feel attached to them for whatever reason. I liked the bucs until Mike Evans sat out the anthem but now I'm done with them for good. Being a Midwest guy the Vikings seem like a good team to stick with and my dad was a fan of them growing up in Illinois. I debated being a Chiefs fan until I read that their owner was the only one out of 6 on the L.A. committee to initially vote for the Rams to move because he wanted all of MO for himself. So yeah, it was rough picking a new team after being all Rams for so long but the Vikings are a great franchise and as a fan of them I could still experience their first Super Bowl win which would be awesome.

[SP1966]

You know the rules of football allow you to keep in extra blockers right? If say once per half they kept in a TE, FB, and a HB and took a shot I think they would be alright. Not saying every down but once in awhile would help prevent picks like the one that cost them this game.

You know the problem is keeping one extra player in for help only helps one player, right? They have turnstiles on both ends so I guess we put two TEs out to help! Of course an equal amount of pressure is coming right up the middle so I guess we could keep a RB and FB in to help. I sure hope that one WR left over gets open!!