peterson/bridgewater era is over

[dead_poet]

There is more to completion percentage than throwing an accurate pass. The receiver on the other end has to catch it, and Bradford's receivers have been among the worst in terms of drops.

Other than last season, I'd like to see stats on that before conceding that point. We would need to compare drops from each QB over the given time period. Even if Bradford's receivers have dropped 20% more balls per season than Bridgewater's, the number across 158 more passes is statistically insignificant. I mean, we're maybe talking about 5-10 more dropped passes by Bradford's receivers than Teddy's. In the grand scheme of things, that's minuscule.

quote][Play calling and defense also play into it as a poorly coached team, which describes all team Bradford has played for will put his QB in position of having to come from behind often which favors the defense and makes it harder on a QB.[/quote]

Excuse me? Playing from behind allows a QB in this situation more opportunities to rack up passing attempts and "free" yards with defenses often playing "soft" in the 4th quarter to prevent the big play. How often did we see Blake Bortles last season rack up monster fantasy points in the 4th quarter directly related to this?

Bradford hasn't played behind a quality line in his six years

Teddy has consistently played behind the worst pass-blocking line in the league.

hasn't had the benefit of the running game that Teddy did last year and hasn't played with a receiver/tight end of the quality that Diggs/Rudolph provided Teddy.

Kyle Rudolph 2015: 49 receptions; 495 yards; 5 TDs
Zach Ertz 2015: 75 receptions; 853 yards; 2 TDs

Stefon Diggs 2015: 52 receptions; 720 yards; 4 TDs (not active for the first three weeks)
Jordan Matthews 2015: 85 receptions; 997 yards; 8 TDs

Next.

Put Teddy on those Rams teams, combined with having to learn a new offensive system each season and there is NO WAY IN HELL he runs away with anything.

I disagree. He'd be forced to throw more and, from what we've seen, he's a more accurate QB. Chances are his stats over that same time period would've been on par or better. But we'll never know, obviously.

All else being equal the big arm is the difference maker.

I'm not convinced at their respective third seasons that arm strength was the only difference.

Yeppers! I'm not here to bash Teddy as I had high hopes for him, but IMO situation + talent = success. Teddy has talent but he's no a good fit for Norv's offense(read siutation) and Bradford absolutely is!

I disagree. And it's also the responsibility of the offensive coordinator to play to the strengths of his offense. Teddy was at a severe disadvantage last season with Norv calling some of the highest percentage of 5 and 7-step dropbacks with our league-worst pass-blocking line.

I hope Teddy comes back and has a great career, but I'd rather watch a guy like Bradford play the next 5 years than watch a game manager.

One could argue Sam's performances to date have been very "game manager" like in many ways. I will agree, again, that Bradford (today) is probably a better QB than Teddy is (today, excluding the injury). QBs take time to develop and Bradford wasn't at his current level in his second year either. I refuse to give up on Teddy when I think his ceiling is higher than what his 2015 showed.

[Mothman]

Vikings want Adrian Peterson to play entire career in Minnesota

According to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation, Minnesota wants Peterson to retire as a valued member of the organization. It wouldn't be surprising to see Peterson in the same purple-trimmed uniform in 2017.

To make it happen, the two sides would need to reach an agreement on a renegotiated salary. As it currently stands, Peterson is due a $6 million roster bonus on the third day of the league year, along with $12 million more in base salary and workout bonuses. That will not happen.

Still, there is plenty of room for an altered agreement to keep the future Hall of Famer with one franchise for his entire career.

[VikingLord]

Vikings want Adrian Peterson to play entire career in Minnesota

I'd like to see that and I hope it happens, but in order for it to happen that way I think AD is going to have to be willing to take a pay cut.

I think if the team has success this year, even if AD isn't a major part of it, he might be willing to do that in order to remain a part of what should be a very good team heading into next season. If the team falls flat, he might hold firm on his contract and force Spielman to let him walk in the hope he gets picked up by a Superbowl contender. I think when players reach the point in their careers that AD has now reached, it is less about the money and more about the legacy, so how the team does overall and what it's prospects are going forward will probably have the biggest impact on what happens with him.

[IrishViking]

I'd like to see that and I hope it happens, but in order for it to happen that way I think AD is going to have to be willing to take a pay cut.

I think if the team has success this year, even if AD isn't a major part of it, he might be willing to do that in order to remain a part of what should be a very good team heading into next season. If the team falls flat, he might hold firm on his contract and force Spielman to let him walk in the hope he gets picked up by a Superbowl contender. I think when players reach the point in their careers that AD has now reached, it is less about the money and more about the legacy, so how the team does overall and what it's prospects are going forward will probably have the biggest impact on what happens with him.

With respect to AD, I cant think of a True Contender that would pick him up given two surgeries on opposite knees and his production as of late. Which, could be caused by a multitude of issue but doesn't change the fact that they would be getting a 32 year old Running Back on repaired knees. Even at the vet minimum I cant think of a contender or near contender that would consider AD. Which would be the only team I would see him leaving for.


MAYBE the Cowboys? Just because Jerry has the fantasy of seeing AP in a Star and he has always struck me as a bit of a romantic. I could see him rolling the Die on a Tony Romo/AP sunset ride just for the storyline.

[Purple Martin]

With respect to AD, I cant think of a True Contender that would pick him up given two surgeries on opposite knees and his production as of late. Which, could be caused by a multitude of issue but doesn't change the fact that they would be getting a 32 year old Running Back on repaired knees. Even at the vet minimum I cant think of a contender or near contender that would consider AD. Which would be the only team I would see him leaving for.


MAYBE the Cowboys? Just because Jerry has the fantasy of seeing AP in a Star and he has always struck me as a bit of a romantic. I could see him rolling the Die on a Tony Romo/AP sunset ride just for the storyline.

Maybe he'd take Norv Turner back too? yeah, wishful thinking...

[Mothman]

With respect to AD, I cant think of a True Contender that would pick him up given two surgeries on opposite knees and his production as of late. Which, could be caused by a multitude of issue but doesn't change the fact that they would be getting a 32 year old Running Back on repaired knees. Even at the vet minimum I cant think of a contender or near contender that would consider AD. Which would be the only team I would see him leaving for.

Seriously? His first repaired knee clearly hasn't been a problem since he's run for almost 5000 yards on it, twice leading the league in rushing during that span.

His production " of late" was one of those league-leading rushing performances followed by two games in which he couldn't get going and basically had no room in which to do so.

He's 32 but unless he comes off this meniscus injury looking like he just can't run anymore, he will probably be worth considerably more to some team than the veteran minimum. Whether he'd find that role on a contender would probably depend on the situation but the Vikings themselves could be such a contender and it's pretty easy to imagine them paying him more than the vet minimum to play next season.

[IrishViking]

Seriously? His first repaired knee clearly hasn't been a problem since he's run for almost 5000 yards on it, twice leading the league in rushing during that span.

His production " of late" was one of those league-leading rushing performances followed by two games in which he couldn't get going and basically had no room in which to do so.

He's 32 but unless he comes off this meniscus injury looking like he just can't run anymore, he will probably be worth considerably more to some team than the veteran minimum. Whether he'd find that role on a contender would probably depend on the situation but the Vikings themselves could be such a contender and it's pretty easy to imagine them paying him more than the vet minimum to play next season.

Sorry I should have been more clear. I wasn't talking in general. I literally cant think of an active team that I (Or AP more specifically) would consider within striking distance of the Superbowl that would sign him. Most have a solid running back so I don't know they would spend the roster spot and I am not sure AP would take the vet minimum. The Surgery comment was simply what I would expect a non viking team to use in negotiations.

[Nunin]

I see him playing 2-3 more seasons all in purple, assuming he heals from what sounds to be a minor procedure.
I don't foresee the restructure to be an issue as he has made his money. But who really knows about that but him and his agent?

[IrishViking]

I see him playing 2-3 more seasons all in purple, assuming he heals from what sounds to be a minor procedure.
I don't foresee the restructure to be an issue as he has made his money. But who really knows about that but him and his agent?

Agreed I would be shocked if either A) he played somewhere else given our upward trajectory. B) the vikings didn't pay him over his value a little given his franchise history. To me that would be the best case. AP take a solid pay cut, still makes several million a year and contributes for a couple more seasons.

[Nunin]

I think the FO has really done him proper considering all that could have gone down in the recent past. And if the team can make a serious move without his service, taking a paycut will be a no brainer. That is my only wonder about his future, whether or not he will fight for more money and force a release. My gut says no.

[RFIP]

I have my own thoughts on the Teddy-Bradford debate which I have already spoken but one area I want to clear up is this notion that he's a "7 year vet"

The guy had only played 63 career games before the GB game, that's less than 4 full seasons and far less games than Wilson, Luck or Newton have played, all of whom where drafted 1-2 years AFTER Sam.

He is a brilliant-minded QB who is a top end arm talent that can make all the throws but has never had the luxury of playing on a team where he consistently has the lead or is within a score of having the lead...until now.

I love his chemistry with both Rudolph and Diggs...Johnson on the other hand is JAG....I want to see the rook when he's ready to contribute and I'd also like to see Patterson catch a few balls because his RAC is off the charts.

The two obvious weaknesses of this team are OL and K, either of which can derail a long playoff run.

Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out but I am sky high with what I believe is a legit SB contender in 2016!

[jackal]

The two obvious weaknesses of this team are OL and K, either of which can derail a long playoff run.

Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out but I am sky high with what I believe is a legit SB contender in 2016!

I have been real worried about out OL for several years and the only thing I liked what they did to fix it was Boone
and maybe the coaching change. Kalil sucks and I am hoping we never see him in purple again. Fusco has not been
great. Smith seems to have improved from what I saw in preseason.

I don't see us as a superbowl team...Our defense is good enough but at some point the OL, K and weak play calling is
going to bite us in the rear end. I am hoping the OL improves and Bradford stays healthy ...Maybe is all the NFC championship
losses but I am real afraid of running across that blanket, and having it ripped out again... time will tell

[fiestavike]

Given his age, recent production, and knee injury, how much do you think Peterson will be able to fetch next year? I don't think it'll be a high number...I'd guess around a 75 percent pay cut from what he's currently under contract for next year?

[Mothman]

Given his age, recent production, and knee injury, how much do you think Peterson will be able to fetch next year? I don't think it'll be a high number...I'd guess around a 75 percent pay cut from what he's currently under contract for next year?

That sounds about right.

[IrishViking]

Given his age, recent production, and knee injury, how much do you think Peterson will be able to fetch next year? I don't think it'll be a high number...I'd guess around a 75 percent pay cut from what he's currently under contract for next year?

My guess is he going to offer 25 and take a 50