2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes, etc)

A forum for the hard core Minnesota Vikings fan. Discuss upcoming games, opponents, trades, draft or what ever is on the minds of Viking fans!

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
dead_poet
Commissioner
Posts: 24788
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:30 pm
Location: Des Moines, Iowa

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by dead_poet »

S197 wrote: I think they'll take a player in one of those rounds but right now they have the most expensive line in the entire NFL so I don't think they're going to go nuts in the draft.
With probably the most question marks in 2016 AND 2017. If they don't take advantage of this great center class I'm going to be very disappointed.
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly
User avatar
IIsweet
Pro Bowl Elite Player
Posts: 959
Joined: Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:02 pm

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by IIsweet »

The 1 year deals are imperative this year. Loadholt and Sullivan were injured. Kalil struggled. They have depth already in Clemmings, Harris, Bykowski, Smith, and Berger, not to mention Fusco was a C.
The Andre Smith 1 year deal allows us to see if Kalil can be healthy and perform. If not, release him next year.
I like this approach and hopefully can put together a solid OL for years to come.
User avatar
Mothman
Defensive Tackle
Posts: 38292
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Location: Chicago, IL

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by Mothman »

IIsweet wrote:The 1 year deals are imperative this year. Loadholt and Sullivan were injured. Kalil struggled. They have depth already in Clemmings, Harris, Bykowski, Smith, and Berger, not to mention Fusco was a C.
The Andre Smith 1 year deal allows us to see if Kalil can be healthy and perform. If not, release him next year.
I like this approach and hopefully can put together a solid OL for years to come.
The problem is this approach provides very little stability/reliability going forward. That's why they need to add some quality talent in the draft.
fiestavike
Hall of Fame Inductee
Posts: 4969
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:03 am

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by fiestavike »

Mothman wrote: The problem is this approach provides very little stability/reliability going forward. That's why they need to add some quality talent in the draft.
Ya, its low risk, but it remains to be seen if it is also going to be low reward.
"You like that!"
-- Cap'n Spazz Cousins
PurpleMustReign
Starting Wide Receiver
Posts: 19150
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:48 pm
Location: Crystal, MN
Contact:

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by PurpleMustReign »

Mothman wrote: The problem is this approach provides very little stability/reliability going forward. That's why they need to add some quality talent in the draft.
I suspect if Sullivan and Loadholt prove they are healthy, they will get a mid-season extension. I also think the same for Smith if he proves he can be trusted in this system.
The Devil whispered in the Viking's ear, "There's a storm coming." The Viking replied, "I am the storm." ‪#‎SKOL2018
mondry
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8455
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 pm

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by mondry »

PurpleMustReign wrote:
I suspect if Sullivan and Loadholt prove they are healthy, they will get a mid-season extension. I also think the same for Smith if he proves he can be trusted in this system.
Yeah, basically if any of these guys perform well we can throw money at them, including the 1 year deal guys. If anyone underperforms they won't be back and their salary comes off the books. Pretty solid plan.
fiestavike
Hall of Fame Inductee
Posts: 4969
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:03 am

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by fiestavike »

mondry wrote: Yeah, basically if any of these guys perform well we can throw money at them, including the 1 year deal guys. If anyone underperforms they won't be back and their salary comes off the books. Pretty solid plan.
Unless none of them perform well! ha. Then we are back in the same boat in 2017.
"You like that!"
-- Cap'n Spazz Cousins
808vikingsfan
Hall of Fame Candidate
Posts: 3927
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:45 pm
Location: Hawaii

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by 808vikingsfan »

I believe the most important position to upgrade besides the OL and WR is the punter.
Jeff Locke
Rank #31/32




Punt Power

37/45
One of the weakest legs in the game, Jeff Locke lacks the ability to launch the ball deep. He continually comes up short on punts in pressure situations and is one of the worst in the league at getting height on his punts. His 41.6 yards per punt barely beat out Jacob Schum for the shortest average among starters, but Schum at least has the ability to sky his punts.

Punt Accuracy

34/45
Locke hasn’t improved since entering the league three years ago, and this past season was by far the worst of his career. Although he still needs to improve quite a bit, he has enough accuracy to force returners toward the sideline or angle the ball just enough to make it hard for them to get a running start. With Locke ranking near the bottom in pretty much every category, it is easy to see why he finished so low on this list.

Position Value

4/4
Overall

75/94
B/R NFL 1000: Ranking the Top 32 Punters from 2015


Would love to see them address this position mid round.




Joined: Aug 2006
Deleted: Sept 12 2014
Reborn: Sept 17 2014
User avatar
jackal
Strong Safety
Posts: 11583
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:05 am
Location: California

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by jackal »

the top punter usually goes 5-6 round if drafted....

our punter sucks and would love to see him have to compete
no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
DK Sweets
Career Elite Player
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:46 am
Location: Missouri

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by DK Sweets »

Yeah, Locke was the worst player on our team last year in my opinion. I REALLY want him replaced.
User avatar
Mothman
Defensive Tackle
Posts: 38292
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Location: Chicago, IL

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by Mothman »

Locke's not great but I don't think he's playing at a level that merits spending a draft pick on a punter this season. Almost 1/3 of his punts ended in fair catches last year. More than 1/3 were inside the 20. The Vikings allowed the second fewest punt return yards in the league and they didn't have a punt blocked or returned for a score. In other words, Locke's doing something right. It would be nice to see his net and gross average go up a bit but out-kicking his coverage wouldn't be a good thing either and I get the impression he's coached to kick in a way that minimizes return yardage rather than maximizing power or distance.
mondry
Hall of Famer
Posts: 8455
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 pm

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by mondry »

Mothman wrote:Locke's not great but I don't think he's playing at a level that merits spending a draft pick on a punter this season. Almost 1/3 of his punts ended in fair catches last year. More than 1/3 were inside the 20. The Vikings allowed the second fewest punt return yards in the league and they didn't have a punt blocked or returned for a score. In other words, Locke's doing something right. It would be nice to see his net and gross average go up a bit but out-kicking his coverage wouldn't be a good thing either and I get the impression he's coached to kick in a way that minimizes return yardage rather than maximizing power or distance.
I think that was pretty much confirmed a while back to be the case. We ask him to give up distance for hang time, now if there's a punter that can get great hang time and still boot it a mile then maybe it's something to think about.
User avatar
IIsweet
Pro Bowl Elite Player
Posts: 959
Joined: Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:02 pm

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by IIsweet »

I expect contract extensions to players during the season or immediately afterwards to the players that we desire to keep long term. Bring in everyone and build a line they like and then extend them to provide stability. Sounds like a great idea to me !!
808vikingsfan
Hall of Fame Candidate
Posts: 3927
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:45 pm
Location: Hawaii

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by 808vikingsfan »

mondry wrote: I think that was pretty much confirmed a while back to be the case. We ask him to give up distance for hang time, now if there's a punter that can get great hang time and still boot it a mile then maybe it's something to think about.
Was it confirmed? I wasn't able to find any hang time stats at all. If true, either Locke doesn't have the ability to kick for hang time and distance, or Zimmer has no confidence in his coverage team. Those fair catch and inside the 20 stats could be the result of stalled drives near midfield. Also, what's the use of minimizing return yardage when the Vikings still rank at the bottom of NET yds? I'd certainly use a 5th round pick if either Hackett or Kaser was available. Field position is so important to a team built like this one.
Joined: Aug 2006
Deleted: Sept 12 2014
Reborn: Sept 17 2014
Demi
Commissioner
Posts: 23785
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:24 pm

Re: 2016 Season General Comments (pressers, practice notes,

Post by Demi »

808vikingsfan wrote: Was it confirmed? I wasn't able to find any hang time stats at all. If true, either Locke doesn't have the ability to kick for hang time and distance, or Zimmer has no confidence in his coverage team. Those fair catch and inside the 20 stats could be the result of stalled drives near midfield. Also, what's the use of minimizing return yardage when the Vikings still rank at the bottom of NET yds? I'd certainly use a 5th round pick if either Hackett or Kaser was available. Field position is so important to a team built like this one.
And the likely alternative talent at that pick? Definitely worth a shot.
Post Reply