PHP's "Way Too Early But I Love It" 2016 Mock Offseason

[Pondering Her Percy]

He would be good depth but is he in a position where he would be willing to be a backup? I haven't followed him all that closely. He is a taller DB than Robinson, which Zimmer seems to like.

I would imagine. He can't beat out DBs for full time starting roles in Dallas and they're DBs are nothing to write home about.

[Pondering Her Percy]

i'm fine with moving on from sullivan and loadholt. their injury histories, ages and salaries aren't a good combination. cut them along with hill, then restructure wallace and you probably get 20 mil in cap space. use that to go get an andre smith from the bengals to take over at right tackle, and alex boone from the 49ers to take one of the guard spots. no more wishing and hoping that diamond in the rough free agents or late round picks can fix the o line. get some talent like the cards did last offseason with they signed iupati and jared valdheer. definitely keep harris and along with clemmings they would give us two great backup options capable of playing multiple positions if needed. only question would be center where we use berger one more year, along with drafting one to develop somewhere in rds 3 or 4 of the draft.

I completely disagree. First of all, getting BOTH Andre Smith and Alex Boone are as unrealistic as it gets. One is 29 and one is 28. Phil is 29 and Sully is 30. So we aren't really getting any younger. They will both probably want more money than Phil and Sully both so basically we're getting one year younger, paying these guys a boat load of money and HOPING they will succeed in Norvs blocking scheme.

Also, Iupati has struggled this year vs the pass. Not as much vs the run but big money guys in FA just aren't ever worth it IMO. They haven't paid off as of late. Everyone is just hoping we land another Steve Hutchinson again but there aren't a whole lot of them out there. Especially in free agency.

Sorry but your scenario is a pipe dream pal.

[Mothman]

I'm not sure what Mike Harris you've been watching but it sure isn't #79 for the Vikings. He's graded out positive according to PFF almost every week this year. After the first 2 weeks of the season he had a +4.0 rating overall. He received a +3.6 overall vs. the Raiders. St. Louis he was a +4.4 overall. Chicago he was a +4.6. A +3.7 overall grade vs. the Giants. Not only has he graded out positively all year but he's been getting the best overall grades on the entire team 4 different weeks.

This is a quote directly from PFF......
So if you like PFF or not, bottom line is, he's played very well this year and has been arguably our best lineman. To say he's been "adequate at best" is simply false.

I'll stick with "adequate" as a more accurate assessment of his play than "roaring success". PFF's team of amateurs has no credibility with me when it comes to this stuff. They've been making stars out of mediocre players for years. I don't think there's any reasonable argument to be made that Harris has been the Vikings best o-lineman this year and I certainly don't want another 3 years of that level of play from him as a starter.

Well it sure seems like you're implying that.

I did no such thing AND I just told you that wasn't what I was saying...

[Pondering Her Percy]

I'll stick with "adequate" as a more accurate assessment of his play than "roaring success". PFF's team of amateurs has no credibility with me when it comes to this stuff. They've been making stars out of mediocre players for years. I don't think there's any reasonable argument to be made that Harris has been the Vikings best o-lineman this year and I certainly don't want another 3 years of that level of play from him as a starter.

I would love for you to somehow back this up. Anything you can find on Mike Harris right now is saying how well he has played this season. You can say what you want about PFF but if a guy is CONSISTENTLY grading out with positive marks in pass and run blocking, you're going to sit there and tell me it's garbage?? If it was only a couple games then maybe I would believe you but for him to get overly positive marks every week says he's playing good. Not "adequate". He has been our best OL this year IMO. Kalil has been good but inconsistent at times. Harris has been consistent all season.

I mean when was the last time you've seen him get beat in pass protection?? I sure couldn't name one. I remember Kalil getting beat, Berger getting beat, Fusco getting beat and obviously Clemmings. I honestly couldn't tell you a time with Harris and it obviously shows according to PFF.

You really have no evidence to defend "adequate" play because there sure isn't anything on the internet and I'm not sure where else you would get anything from. If you want to go find one play of him possibly getting beat and nit-pick it, be my guest but you aren't going to find many at all. And a big reason is because of his consistently good play

Another reason he is our best lineman is because he's the only lineman that has consistently graded out positive in BOTH the run and pass. It's not like he's good at one or the other. He's been consistently good at both.

So you can continue to beat a dead horse saying you don't want him for 3 years because of his adequate play but it simply has no backing behind it.

Just to add in another quote from PFF.....

His performance after switching from tackle this year has flown under the radar, but no guard has graded out higher over the past two weeks. On Sunday, he was the only lineman not consistently overmatched by the Rams uber-talented interior.

but there are bright spots with Michael Harris now stringing together a succession of impressive games at the other guard spot.

[Mothman]

I would love for you to somehow back this up. Anything you can find on Mike Harris right now is saying how well he has played this season. You can say what you want about PFF but if a guy is CONSISTENTLY grading out with positive marks in pass and run blocking, you're going to sit there and tell me it's garbage?? If it was only a couple games then maybe I would believe you but for him to get overly positive marks every week says he's playing good. Not "adequate". He has been our best OL this year IMO. Kalil has been good but inconsistent at times. Harris has been consistent all season.

I mean when was the last time you've seen him get beat in pass protection?? I sure couldn't name one. I remember Kalil getting beat, Berger getting beat, Fusco getting beat and obviously Clemmings. I honestly couldn't tell you a time with Harris and it obviously shows according to PFF.

You really have no evidence to defend "adequate" play because there sure isn't anything on the internet and I'm not sure where else you would get anything from. If you want to go find one play of him possibly getting beat and nit-pick it, be my guest but you aren't going to find many at all. And a big reason is because of his consistently good play

Another reason he is our best lineman is because he's the only lineman that has consistently graded out positive in BOTH the run and pass. It's not like he's good at one or the other. He's been consistently good at both.

So you can continue to beat a dead horse saying you don't want him for 3 years because of his adequate play but it simply has no backing behind it.

Just to add in another quote from PFF.....

There's obviously no point in arguing with you after that rant.

[Pondering Her Percy]

....good backing? Clearly you have nothing to defend your assessment so I'll leave it at that and stick to mine.

[Mothman]

....good backing? Clearly you have nothing to defend your assessment so I'll leave it at that and stick to mine.

You couldn't have made it more obvious that there was no point in pursuing a debate about Harris with you if you'd posted it in blinking lights and had it written in the sky.

[Pondering Her Percy]

You couldn't have made it more obvious that there was no point in pursuing a debate about Harris with you if you'd posted it in blinking lights and had it written in the sky.

Like I said, bottom line is, you have nothing to back up your assessment. I've posted evidence as to why I believe he is a good guard. You have posted nothing besides your own opinion that you can't back up. So like I said, I'll leave it at that.

[Mothman]

Move on, Mike. I deleted your last post and I don't want to delete another one. The horse is dead.

[PacificNorseWest]

How we gonna start this when it's week 17 and the Vikings are in the playoffs, yet don't even know who they play?...And we got an offseason thread?! C'mon, man.

Premature much?

[808vikingsfan]

How we gonna start this when it's week 17 and the Vikings are in the playoffs, yet don't even know who they play?...And we got an offseason thread?! C'mon, man.

Premature much?

I don't think the needs of the team will change much barring any injury.

I would also say premature and Way Too early mean the same thing so you can't criticize PHP when his thread title says it all.

At least he waited until week 17. My guess is he wanted to post one of these since week 1.

[PacificNorseWest]

I don't think the needs of the team will change much barring any injury.

I would also say premature and Way Too early mean the same thing so you can't criticize PHP when his thread title says it all.

At least he waited until week 17. My guess is he wanted to post one of these since week 1.

Calling yourself out doesn't make it right.

The Vikings are contenders!..Makes no damn sense to me. Nothing but respect for PHP, but that doesn't change my opinion. It ain't that serious, but c'mon...Just seeing "2016...offseason" depresses me. Mindset.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Calling yourself out doesn't make it right.

The Vikings are contenders!..Makes no damn sense to me. Nothing but respect for PHP, but that doesn't change my opinion. It ain't that serious, but c'mon...Just seeing "2016...offseason" depresses me. Mindset.

I'm just doing it for fun man. Trying to enlighten the board on what is out there for FAs and draft prospects.

[DK Sweets]

Calling yourself out doesn't make it right.

The Vikings are contenders!..Makes no damn sense to me. Nothing but respect for PHP, but that doesn't change my opinion. It ain't that serious, but c'mon...Just seeing "2016...offseason" depresses me. Mindset.

I'm somewhat of the same mindset. I didn't like seeing the post because I also would like to focus on this current season that we're having. This has potential to be the second best season we've had since 2001, so looking forward to after the season is over puts a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.

That said, some people are into that thing. I have the choice to skip over the thread (like I've done a couple of times already, I just happened to see this post when skipping to the bottom post), so it doesn't bother me THAT much. Just ignore threads you don't like and hopefully they will die. Or in this ones case, take a nap until mid-February when we will truly be thankful for it.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Guys I simply did this for fun and to enlighten the board of what lies ahead. I feel like some are acting like I stole their best friend. It has nothing to do with over-looking the current season. It's just that I'm always looking ahead to see who can make this team better. I view other boards and there are mock offseasons that were put up 6 weeks ago. Some are getting a little too bent out of shape about it. If it bothers you that much, I'll take it down for goodness sake.