Pro Bowl sucks

[Pondering Her Percy]

Your statement about Rodgers not havng done 'near' as much as Dalton doesn't hold up, Rodgers has arguably had the better season, I don't even think its a question as to whether he has had a better season then Eli.

The pro bowl is a joke though, I can't understand why people even care about it anymore.

I disagree. Both have a better QBR than Rodgers and a better completion percentage. There are other stats that both Dalton and Manning have over Rodgers such as YPG, average yards per attempt, 40+ yards throws, etc. Rodgers hasn't played very well lately. It's been all over the TV. So yeah this year, I would probably take either one of them over Rodgers

[PurpleMustReign]

I disagree. Both have a better QBR than Rodgers and a better completion percentage. There are other stats that both Dalton and Manning have over Rodgers such as YPG, average yards per attempt, 40+ yards throws, etc. Rodgers hasn't played very well lately. It's been all over the TV. So yeah this year, I would probably take either one of them over Rodgers

I'd still take Rodgers. MAYBE... Just maybe... I would take Russell, but to me, Rodgers is still the best QB in the NFL, and has been for some time now. His off year is better than any 'on" year the Vikings have had at QB since Favre, and before that probably Warren Moon... and before that... who knows...

[Pondering Her Percy]

The fact that it doesn't mean anything is the point. Yes, once upon a time the Pro Bowl meant something. Now it's a fan popularity contest followed up by "game" that nobody actually tries hard in. A game where the players from teams going to the super bowl won't play in, by the way.

The Pro Bowl is a good marker for how popular a player is, not how good he is. If you want the Vikings players to be recognized by people outside of Vikings fans they need to make big plays in prime time where more than Vikings fans will actually notice. The Pro Bowl is basically a side effect of that anyway ... even before fans voted, really.

Guys have made plays and plenty of them every week.

Also, the players haven't tried in the game for years. You tend to keep focusing on the game which I could care less about. You say it's a FAN popularity contest but then say the fans vote matters little so you aren't making much sense

[Pondering Her Percy]

I'd still take Rodgers. MAYBE... Just maybe... I would take Russell, but to me, Rodgers is still the best QB in the NFL, and has been for some time now. His off year is better than any 'on" year the Vikings have had at QB since Favre, and before that probably Warren Moon... and before that... who knows...

Well I'm not comparing him to any Vikings QB. I'm comparing him to how guys are playing right now. And right now, he's been off his game and Eli and Dalton haven't been. I don't care what he's done in the past. That's the problem with this voting. Guys that made plays in the past are ones that make it. Just like the guys I listed above (Rodgers, Megatron, Butler, Cowboys lineman, Ware, etc). Its suppose to be about what you are currently doing this year. I mean Rodgers hasn't thrown more than 2 tds in a game since week 9 and just looked awful against a bad raiders pass defense.

His completion percentage since week 9 has been above 60% just twice and once it's been in the 40's which is horrid.

[Jordysghost]

I disagree. Both have a better QBR than Rodgers and a better completion percentage. There are other stats that both Dalton and Manning have over Rodgers such as YPG, average yards per attempt, 40+ yards throws, etc. Rodgers hasn't played very well lately. It's been all over the TV. So yeah this year, I would probably take either one of them over Rodgers

QBR is a joke, passer rating is what you want to look at.

Rodgers has 2 less TDs, but 7 less turnovers then Manning, and a slightly higher passer rating, he has 5 more TDs then Dalton and 4 less turnovers, in addition to more yards.

Rodgers play is getting attention because it is untypical of his usual incredible self, not because it is bad, as compared to most of the QBs who have comparable statistics to him having career years, it does not in anyway discredit the fact that Rodgers is undoubtedly a top 5 QB yet again this year, according to his statline.

[Jordysghost]

Well I'm not comparing him to any Vikings QB. I'm comparing him to how guys are playing right now. And right now, he's been off his game and Eli and Dalton haven't been. I don't care what he's done in the past. That's the problem with this voting. Guys that made plays in the past are ones that make it. Just like the guys I listed above (Rodgers, Megatron, Butler, Cowboys lineman, Ware, etc). Its suppose to be about what you are currently doing this year. I mean Rodgers hasn't thrown more than 2 tds in a game since week 9 and just looked awful against a bad raiders pass defense.

His completion percentage since week 9 has been above 60% just twice and once it's been in the 40's which is horrid.

You are missing the point, Rodgers HAS been off his game, this is true, and yet, Rodgers off his game is still having an arguably better season then both Eli and Dalton, he has at the very least been 'nearly' as good, despite your insistence to the contrary.

Also, played horrible at Oakland? What game were you watching? Im fairly sure if he didn't throw that stupid pick in garbage time when the game was out of reach he would have finished with a rating in the 90s.

BTW, im not even disagreeing that he shouldn't be in the pro bowl this year, if it was based on something that wasn't a bunch of nonsense, Cam Newton would have been voted in.

[808vikingsfan]

Yes it does. Only way I'm buying tickets is if a couple of Vikings players get added to the roster. I also forgot they changed the format.

[halfgiz]

3 Vikings are on the snub list.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... off-roster

[Pondering Her Percy]

Also, played horrible at Oakland? What game were you watching? Im fairly sure if he didn't throw that stupid pick in garbage time when the game was out of reach he would have finished with a rating in the 90s.

More like what game are you watching? He had a 56.4 comp %, barely got over 200 yards, threw for 1 TD and had a rating of 68.8. How in any sense is that good??

[Pondering Her Percy]

not because it is bad

Sorry but throwing for 77 yards is one game is bad. Like pathetic. Or having a 51.2 comp. % against an awful Bears team that they lost to is bad. By no means am I saying Rodgers is bad. He is a very very good QB, but his games as of late have been pretty bad. Which is why I believe he shouldn't be in the pro bowl

[Jordysghost]

More like what game are you watching? He had a 56.4 comp %, barely got over 200 yards, threw for 1 TD and had a rating of 68.8. How in any sense is that good??

As I said im fairly sure he had a 90 something passer rating until that garbage time int, I thought at one point when the game was over almost over he was something like 22-36 with a TD, his offense put up 23 points with minimal run game, I wouldn't consider his performance 'terrible' even taking those last few passes of his into considering, though definitely not all that great.

[Jordysghost]

Sorry but throwing for 77 yards is one game is bad. Like pathetic. Or having a 51.2 comp. % against an awful Bears team that they lost to is bad. By no means am I saying Rodgers is bad. He is a very very good QB, but his games as of late have been pretty bad. Which is why I believe he shouldn't be in the pro bowl

And I agree with all these statements, but even with those poor performances his season statline compares favorably to several players having career years.

[Pondering Her Percy]

And I agree with all these statements, but even with those poor performances his season statline compares favorably to several players having career years.

You're right it does compare, it's just how he's been playing game by game recently doesn't impress me. His stats are very front loaded. Where Manning and Dalton aren't as much. Wilson is just like Rodgers in that aspect too. He was average at best in the beginning of the year and are off the charts now. Manning and Dalton have been more consistent IMO than both Rodgers and Wilson. Rodgers could go out and have a 1:2 TD:INT ratio and he's going to make it no matter what just because of who he is

[Jordysghost]

You're right it does compare, it's just how he's been playing game by game recently doesn't impress me. His stats are very front loaded. Where Manning and Dalton aren't as much. Wilson is just like Rodgers in that aspect too. He was average at best in the beginning of the year and are off the charts now. Manning and Dalton have been more consistent IMO than both Rodgers and Wilson. Rodgers could go out and have a 1:2 TD:INT ratio and he's going to make it no matter what just because of who he is

That is a fair opinion, consistent is about the last thing our Offense has been.

And yea, I agree man, the pro bowl is a complete fallacy.

[Pondering Her Percy]

That is a fair opinion, consistent is about the last thing our Offense has been.

And yea, I agree man, the pro bowl is a complete fallacy.

Yeah no hard feelings man. I don't want you to think I'm bad mouthing Rodgers because as much as I hate to say it, he is one of the best QBs in the game today. It's just his play since your undefeated streak was broke, has been very inconsistent.

Also, I saw earlier today that Pro Bowl alternates consist of a few Packers. Two of them being Randall Cobb and Eddie Lacy. I hope that isn't true because both have had really bad seasons. Especially Lacy.

If it is true, we have no alternates which makes this voting even worse. It was bad enough that Smith, Barr and Joseph were snubbed but for neither to make alternates makes me wanna puke