Mothman wrote:
Yes, nobody can know for sure but remember, the catalyst for this discussion today was Kluwe's comments and whether people choose to believe Peterson is sincere or not, I think it's irresponsible for someone like Kluwe to make a statement to the media that Peterson still "needs to show that he understands he did something wrong and that he wants to work to change that " when, in fact, those steps were already taken months ago.
I'm going to dial back the dialogue on this one. I didn't intend for it to be that long of a discussion and I feel like, at this point, I'm defending a side that I don't even completely agree with and that's not my intention.
Going back to the beginning which is Kluwe's comment; I agree with you that there's nothing else Peterson can really do at this point. Or if there is I can't think of it either. If people don't think he's sincere it would be nice to know what action could change their mind. In that respect Kluwe's comments don't make much sense. Like you said, he has taken what action he can take. The question is whether or not people believe it, not if he's done it or not. Kluwe frames it as if he's done nothing which obviously is false.
Cliff wrote:I'm going to dial back the dialogue on this one. I didn't intend for it to be that long of a discussion and I feel like, at this point, I'm defending a side that I don't even completely agree with and that's not my intention.
I understand. I was going to suggest the same thing because I didn't intend the discussion to get that long either, especially because I don't think you and I disagree about most of this to any great extent.
Going back to the beginning which is Kluwe's comment; I agree with you that there's nothing else Peterson can really do at this point. Or if there is I can't think of it either. If people don't think he's sincere it would be nice to know what action could change their mind. In that respect Kluwe's comments don't make much sense. Like you said, he has taken what action he can take. The question is whether or not people believe it, not if he's done it or not. Kluwe frames it as if he's done nothing which obviously is false.
Well said.
I wonder if we'll see a trade this week that will bring some closure to all of this or since a trade still looks somewhat unlikely, if the draft comes and goes and Peterson is still a Viking, if he will soften his position, show up for mandatory mini-camp and put an end to this drama. It would really be nice to have this over with...
Mothman wrote:
I wonder if we'll see a trade this week that will bring some closure to all of this or since a trade still looks somewhat unlikely, if the draft comes and goes and Peterson is still a Viking, if he will soften his position, show up for mandatory mini-camp and put an end to this drama. It would really be nice to have this over with...
I think the old adage 'winning fixes everything' (or in this case, playing well fixes everything) will prove true. I honestly think discussions about this would have been over by now if he was allowed to start playing towards the end of last season. Instead we have all these questions about whether or not he'll be Viking which inevitably leads to a conversation about why. I think the same will be true if he comes out and doesn't play to his normal standards, we'll hear more about how the case is impacting him, etc, etc. If he plays like he normally does, focus will shift primarily back to his play.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not though. I would rather think people are actually concerned about the root issue and that it might open dialogue about it in a broader context, but it seems to me that people just want something to talk about in the off season.
Yeah, the whole "winning fixes everything" is really not working anymore for professional athletes. I think the public is getting tired of the entitled athletes, shooting people, trying to rape girls at bars, sodomizing little boys on college campuses, running citizens over in the streets, stealing from stores, beating women and children. Its a Slow shift, but I think it IS a trend towards less tolerance of criminality just because you can bounce a ball or run fast. Is it possible that America is starting to reassess its priorities/values a tiny bit? I think so, which is a bit amazing since I am very much a cynic.
I would take the late second from the Cardinals and be pretty happy with it. A second rounder should be a starter, plus it clears up a bunch of cap space, plus it's cashing in on a player on the downside of his career which is what the good teams do. That doesn't even take into account that this is one of the deepest drafts for RBs, so that should drive the price tag down for AD as well as make it easy to find RB help to complement McKinnon.
chicagopurple wrote:Yeah, the whole "winning fixes everything" is really not working anymore for professional athletes. I think the public is getting tired of the entitled athletes, shooting people, trying to rape girls at bars, sodomizing little boys on college campuses, running citizens over in the streets, stealing from stores, beating women and children. Its a Slow shift, but I think it IS a trend towards less tolerance of criminality just because you can bounce a ball or run fast. Is it possible that America is starting to reassess its priorities/values a tiny bit? I think so, which is a bit amazing since I am very much a cynic.
I don't see a shift toward better values occurring at all. I just see the public becoming more easily manipulated and cowed and jumping off various cliffs of hysteria like lemmings. I think there is a greater effort to enforce values, but that's just bullying people into agreeing with the accepted line, not a real change in values...and certainly not for the better.
BridgeBridge wrote:I would take the late second from the Cardinals and be pretty happy with it. A second rounder should be a starter, plus it clears up a bunch of cap space, plus it's cashing in on a player on the downside of his career which is what the good teams do. That doesn't even take into account that this is one of the deepest drafts for RBs, so that should drive the price tag down for AD as well as make it easy to find RB help to complement McKinnon.
Wow Mr. BridgeBridge, a 2nd round pick for the most dynamic player in the NFL. No way in hell
Do not mistake KINDNESS for WEAKNESS!
Best to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.
chicagopurple wrote:Yeah, the whole "winning fixes everything" is really not working anymore for professional athletes. I think the public is getting tired of the entitled athletes, shooting people, trying to rape girls at bars, sodomizing little boys on college campuses, running citizens over in the streets, stealing from stores, beating women and children. Its a Slow shift, but I think it IS a trend towards less tolerance of criminality just because you can bounce a ball or run fast. Is it possible that America is starting to reassess its priorities/values a tiny bit? I think so, which is a bit amazing since I am very much a cynic.
You may be right about that overall but in Peterson's case I think it will still play out the way we're used to. Half the country doesn't even think what he did was wrong in the first place and compared to the Video of Rice punching his wife and dragging her off or someone like Darren Sharper being arrested for multiple counts of rape it is a more mild incident ... though of course that's no justification, but I think in the realm of media and the NFL, if Peterson plays a full season and does well (for any team) this issue will basically be forgotten by comparison.
Cliff wrote:
You may be right about that overall but in Peterson's case I think it will still play out the way we're used to. Half the country doesn't even think what he did was wrong in the first place and compared to the Video of Rice punching his wife and dragging her off or someone like Darren Sharper being arrested for multiple counts of rape it is a more mild incident ... though of course that's no justification, but I think in the realm of media and the NFL, if Peterson plays a full season and does well (for any team) this issue will basically be forgotten by comparison.
Totally agree with your take Cliff. If AD comes back, has a monster year (which I am sure he will), this whole topic will become quite moot.
Do not mistake KINDNESS for WEAKNESS!
Best to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.
the media manipulation of events can be really disturbing. On the very first day of the Ray Rice mess, there were videos showing them waiting for the elevator where SHE, in a drunken haze, is spitting on Ray Rices face and punching him while he stood there and just took it....THEN they get in the elevator and he pops her in the face. By the second day of the media circus, all the tape of her instigating and going after him was gone. They very clearly tried to make her look faultless and make him look worse ( of course, BOTH of them were drunk idiots) which is a more sellable news event......very poor, immorale journalism , but hey, thats America.
Cliff wrote:I think the old adage 'winning fixes everything' (or in this case, playing well fixes everything) will prove true. I honestly think discussions about this would have been over by now if he was allowed to start playing towards the end of last season. Instead we have all these questions about whether or not he'll be Viking which inevitably leads to a conversation about why. I think the same will be true if he comes out and doesn't play to his normal standards, we'll hear more about how the case is impacting him, etc, etc. If he plays like he normally does, focus will shift primarily back to his play.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not though. I would rather think people are actually concerned about the root issue and that it might open dialogue about it in a broader context, but it seems to me that people just want something to talk about in the off season.
Good post. It seemed like Peterson's actions really opened up a dialogue about the root issue last Fall and I'm still hoping that, once things settle down for him over the next few years (assuming they do) that he will eventually turn this whole situation into a win by not only establishing a great relationship with his son but by eventually working to further awareness of the damage that can be caused by the kind of discipline/punishment he used on his child. He will be in a unique position to make a difference on that issue but I think things need to settle quite a bit more before he'll really be able to step forward and make that difference. Nevertheless, it would be nice to see that happen someday.
I I think you're absolutely right about the point I highlighted in bold above.
Purple bruise wrote:
Wow Mr. BridgeBridge, a 2nd round pick for the most dynamic player in the NFL. No way in hell
I don't think this is a realistic view. I think fans of all teams tend to overrate the trade value of their veteran players. He's one of the greatest of all time, yes, but he plays a de-emphasized position and is at an age where most RBs get phased out. He was amazing in 2012, very good in 2013 and didn't play last year.
So yeah, while I definitely see the value in keeping him around to help TB, I'd rather trade him for a pick that should become a starter and an additional 10+ million in cap space.
Obviously if there's better compensation to be had, I'd prefer the better compensation.
Owner/GM Jerry Jones says it's "highly unlikely" the Cowboys trade draft picks for a player already in the league.
In other words, Jerry isn't planning to ship a high selection to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson and his odious contract. A rumor that's been persisting for months appears to be dead. Source: Brandon George on Twitter
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Vikings GM Rick Spielman says he has "no interest" in trading Adrian Peterson.
If the Vikings are bluffing on their Peterson stance, it's as hard as hardball gets. "We can just end the Adrian Peterson stuff," Spielman said emphatically. "Our position has not changed. ... We have no interest in trading Adrian Peterson." It's a bit strange the Vikes are so adamant about keeping a 30-year-old running back due $12.75 million and coming off a season lost to suspension, but they must still really believe in his talent. What remains to be seen is how Peterson responds to the Vikings completely ignoring his request. Source: Vikings on Twitter
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No way in hell 