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Mothman wrote: I think it suggests that Zimmer believed Patterson needs more work and needs to develop more of an "NFL" mentality (whatever that is... I assume Zimmer knows). However, I don't necessarily think it calls Patterson's work ethic or attitude toward his job into question.

I think it's easy in this age of high expectations for rookie players for people to forget that some players enter the league still needing a LOT of work and that disappointing results might reflect nothing more than that lack of experience. I don't think that's what you're doing but generally speaking, there seems to be a lot of impatience for Patterson out there, sometimes accompanied by implications that he's too dumb to learn the offense, that he's not giving enough effort, that he's a self-centered, publicity-hungry player who cares more about stardom than hard work, etc. I don't know to what extent, if any at all, that stuff is true but I do know a person can work hard, have a great attitude, put forth a very sincere effort and still need a lot more work to achieve a certain level of performance in their profession. It's a process and Patterson, since high school, has had 2 years of community college football, one year of football with a big NCAA school, and 2 years in two different offensive systems as a pro. I imagine working with someone to help refine his routes, developing a more disciplined mindset and spending a second season in the same system for the first time in years could all be very good for him. Time will tell...
i think it had a huge impact on him and I imagine injuring his hip impacted him for a while too. Losing Peterson left Patterson as one of the only real game-breakers remaining on the offense, if not the only game-breaker, and it was easier to focus on him without that big time threat on the backfield.
Yeah, I think we're in agreement here. You bring up good points about CP's hip injury, as well as him being very green and needing development. Again, I don't mean to imply he's some kind of lazy no-account. I do think, however, there was some disappointment on the part of the coaching staff where his development was concerned -- for whatever those reasons were. I'm glad Zimmer and company are taking the positive step of getting him help, and I'm particularly glad CP is accepting it. That bodes well for his chances.

I'm also impressed that Zimmer hasn't ripped him in the press, as some coaches are prone to doing. Zimm is obviously a no-nonsense guy, but he also seems to realize that airing anything in the press ALWAYS has bad consequences. You'd think that would be obvious, but there are plenty of coaches (and players) who don't seem to get it.
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I've alluded to this in another thread, but I think a big problem with fan perception is his draft stock. The Vikings grabbed him in the first because he was too good of an athlete to pass up (and some other team would have chosen him before we had another chance) but from a technical standpoint he is a project player. If he had been chosen in the fourth round, people would be saying he showed flashes of brilliance and we should give him time. Instead, they're worried we wasted our picks.

He was never intended to be a star from day one. He might have actually hurt himself by how much he was able to produce in his first season, because now expectations are through the roof. I truly believe he can be a great player...I just wish we would allow him to grow instead of assuming he should have already arrived.
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J. Kapp 11 wrote:Yeah, I think we're in agreement here. You bring up good points about CP's hip injury, as well as him being very green and needing development. Again, I don't mean to imply he's some kind of lazy no-account. I do think, however, there was some disappointment on the part of the coaching staff where his development was concerned -- for whatever those reasons were. I'm glad Zimmer and company are taking the positive step of getting him help, and I'm particularly glad CP is accepting it. That bodes well for his chances.
Agreed. He seems to have a good attitude, which leads me to believe the problem is probably experience-related more than anything else.
DK Sweets wrote:I've alluded to this in another thread, but I think a big problem with fan perception is his draft stock. The Vikings grabbed him in the first because he was too good of an athlete to pass up (and some other team would have chosen him before we had another chance) but from a technical standpoint he is a project player. If he had been chosen in the fourth round, people would be saying he showed flashes of brilliance and we should give him time. Instead, they're worried we wasted our picks.
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Hard to say how much the hip / injuries factored in, on one hand he seemed "fine" but on the other, he wasn't really that explosive on kickoff returns either so if he was healthy and simply struggling with the offense and his route running, why the drop off on special teams? An injury explains regressing in both areas but nor he or the coaches have acknowledge it as a reason. Of course they aren't going to use it as an excuse and zimmer says plenty of guys play banged up so I guess we're left guessing.
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DK Sweets wrote:I've alluded to this in another thread, but I think a big problem with fan perception is his draft stock. The Vikings grabbed him in the first because he was too good of an athlete to pass up (and some other team would have chosen him before we had another chance) but from a technical standpoint he is a project player. If he had been chosen in the fourth round, people would be saying he showed flashes of brilliance and we should give him time. Instead, they're worried we wasted our picks.

He was never intended to be a star from day one. He might have actually hurt himself by how much he was able to produce in his first season, because now expectations are through the roof. I truly believe he can be a great player...I just wish we would allow him to grow instead of assuming he should have already arrived.

Well said. I'm also glad Jim brought up the hip injury, as I believe it took some of Patterson's burst away during part of the season.

Regardless what any fans expect from CP immediately, none of us have any real say in developing him. Thankfully, Zimmer seems to be doing the job wisely.
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http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Mike ... aded032415
Vikings coach Mike Zimmer wasted no time when asked Tuesday on NBC Sports Radio if third-year receiver Cordarrelle Patterson could be playing for another team next season.

Patterson, 24, had a down sophomore effort last season and lost his starting split end job to midseason-addition Charles Johnson. The Vikings swapped a handful of draft picks with the New England Patriots to sneak back into the first round and take him 29th overall in 2013. A report, or something resembling a report, was floated out two weeks ago on Twitter by a Florida writer saying "the Vikings are trying to move" Patterson.

"No, no chance whatsoever," Zimmer said, via NBC. "Cordarrelle is a young, emerging player who was with his third coordinator in three years. Quite frankly, we need to do a good job of figuring out how we can use him better and he needs to understand where he's supposed to be, the routes and everything."
"He's a great kid, humble," Zimmer said. "He wants to be good, so all those things are so important to me. Anybody like that, who is hungry, I have a lot of affinity for."
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If Patterson can figure it out, Wallace, C.Johnson and Wright make for a strong group of WRs. I'm glad they held him accountable last season and would love to see improvement out of him.
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Thank you for posting the link. It's great to hear him say those thing.
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@GoesslingESPN Zimmer said he's seen videos of Cordarrelle Patterson's offseason work. Still won't get into whom he's working with, but happy w/progress.
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Good.

It would have made zero sense to trade Cordarrelle. Zero.

Patterson has the ability. I don't think it will be too hard for him to learn some routes. Jeez Louise.
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dead_poet wrote:
That's good news! Thanks.
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Wonder if he's getting the same help from Nike that Twill got....
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PurpleKoolaid wrote:Wonder if he's getting the same help from Nike that Twill got....
Probably not, Williamson couldn't catch and the Nike camp was some kind of hand to eye coordination stuff if memory serves. Patterson is just a raw route runner who needs to develop those skills.

In addition, he at least still has value as a returner and YAC receiver even if he never properly develops those skills. Williamson had zero value.
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Cliff wrote:Williamson had zero value.
He did inspire a pretty great highlight film: http://youtu.be/PInDbfGP5Ac
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DK Sweets wrote:He did inspire a pretty great highlight film: http://youtu.be/PInDbfGP5Ac
:lol: :lol: :lol:

The Mickey Avalon song makes it even better.

Who could forget the 'legend' that was Troy Williamson?

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