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Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

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The Breeze wrote:@Irish
I doubt anyone is going to agree with the way my take has turned, but I've yet to see anything definitive suggesting AD has desired to be placed ahead of the teams security. That seems to be a source of partially informed speculation based upon individual judgements regardless of facts known and unknown.

He has an issue that he and his family feels very strongly about. An issue that has provoked in him a sense of feeling justified that the integrity of his contract has been broken, by that I mean he feels slighted in a way significant enough that he feels he can walk away from the deal with a clear conscience.
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He doesn't work with the Wilfs or Warren, he works for them. I can clearly see a scenario in which it goes completely against his integrity to continue to do so.
I would feel the same way if I was in his shoes...if that scenario is fact.
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Nothing they have told him so far has changed his opinion of them and has only seemed to embolden the stance of his camp.
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We're talking about a 30 year old who has banked well over $100m and absolutely loves the game of football....and practically everyone with an opinion is suggesting this is about a few more finances and face instead of it being far simpler and more explanatory when considering his behavior.
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To continue to assume that ownership is completely innocent in all of this and that Peterson is acting out of unprovoked malicious selfishness, traits that completely go against both camps histories, is giving credit to those who really haven't earned it....both ways.
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They all want him back blah blah blah...of course they do! Dude gives 1000% every down, is always ready without ever needing outside motivation, finishes plays and is an absolute beast. And evidently he said just cut me I don't want your money, your contract or your team.
Now what does that really mean? A bluff? I'm saying no. He's basically giving them the same tone as he does a saftey in the open field.
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It means that he doesn't want to work for these people any more and is willing to take significantly less money somewhere else in order for that to happen.
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I hope to god they trade him and that it's just taking awhile to milk out the best offer they can get.
Dude does not want to be here.
Peterson may be a lot of things but I do not believe he is dishonest.
I can see in APs mind how he could think that. The reality is that the contract wasn't violated or it would be null and void. However he feels, he CAN'T walk. Period.
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I dislike my employer and boss on occasion. Until something is violated in the employment contract I know I have to put up and shut up.
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It seems that the only negative things that he has been told is that Warren wont be removed. I don't consider the Vikings saying "We wont straight cut you" as being a negative, that's a no S--t Sherlock point. Forgive me if I lack sympathy for AP wanting someone punished for doing their job I.E. cooperate with the NFL. There seems to be this benefit of the doubt that is being given to AP now while some people make out Warren and the Wilfs as hiding in the corner doing a Gollum impersonation "WE BANS THEMS! WE BANS THEM FILTHY RUNNING BACKS! *cackling laughter*. It seems like more than likely it was "Hey Warren, the NFL is getting ready to put AP on the commish list." "Oh wow, this is serious, probably for the best for now" "Yeah, this is sorta your job (dealing with the NFL) so do what they need you to" "Okay, will do" Bottom line here. AP makes a lot of money to play a game. He professes to love his coaching staff, his teammates, etc. If he is so preoccupied with who is sitting in the owners box, he needs to retire and clear his head space.
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I fail to see how that is the Organizations fault. Publicly they have done a far better job of saying the right things than APs camp has. Unless we are going to just say that The VIkings must be lying and talking hardball s--t to APs camp, in that case there is no point in even talking about it because the counter argument to everything becomes; WILF/RICK LYING. Bottom line is AP wants out, Vikings want to honor the contract. No one needs to appease AP. If they had been saying some disrespectful stuff then maybe, but silence while the process plays out is fine IMO.
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You are right is about more. He wants to play somewhere else. My response is tough luck if we don't get a good offer. Pro tip, don't sign a 5 year deal if your Wife HATES the state or you want to play somewhere else soon. Pro tip, don't expect GOAT contract and not to be treated like an extremely valuable piece of a puzzle. All AP wants is to have his cake and eat it too.
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We seriously disagree here. As far as FOOTBALL operations go the Wilf's have run a pretty honest operation. They don't jerk around staff or players and they take safe routes. AP has a DOCUMENTED history of issues big and small. (massively excessive speeding tickets, Call girls charged to his charity (while he was engaged), the inability to operate a condom) I have never seen him as anything but an incredibly gifted athlete that knows he is and expects to reap the rewards. He has never once ever struck me as someone with integrity. Work ethic? Yes. Competitive spirit? Yes. Maybe even a pleasant person? Yes. But never once someone with integrity. So the short of that one is. I feel like the Wilf's have actually earned the benefit of the doubt by generally treating Staff and players with respect (caveat to that would be when the office said they WEREN'T trading Percy, maybe? But my gut tells me that was just a ploy for better picks). While AP is basically a Diva who has managed to play up to exceptions and has had no reason to act out until now.
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I feel like am missing your point with this one. Why would we cut him? Fine, he's super serious about not wanting to play here. If we don't get good compensation for him I hope he enjoys his retirement, sincerely. He's earned it, have a great relaxing life. But why would we cut him?
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Except he isn't. The cardinals issue is a perfect example. It has been repeatedly reported that his contract is a major issue in any trade. I have to believe that if APs First/Second choice (Cardinals) said "hey take a pay cut and we can do this" and he is super willing to take a pay cut. It would happen. As of now all indications are he wants to play somewhere else... for 13 million.
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I believe that he is as dishonest as he needs to be to get what he wants.
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Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

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IrishViking wrote:It seems that the only negative things that he has been told is that Warren wont be removed.
We don't even know if that's his primary beef with the organization, much less if that's the only negative thing he's been told. We don't know what he was told by the Vikings when they activated him after the NE game and appeared to be standing by him or what he's been told subsequently, in the meetings he's had with Zimmer, Spielman and Zygi. We simply know very little about the actual details of this situation.
I don't consider the Vikings saying "We wont straight cut you" as being a negative, that's a no S--t Sherlock point. Forgive me if I lack sympathy for AP wanting someone punished for doing their job
Has there been any actual indication from Peterson's camp that he wants Warren punished? I'm not aware of one.
I.E. cooperate with the NFL. There seems to be this benefit of the doubt that is being given to AP now while some people make out Warren and the Wilfs as hiding in the corner doing a Gollum impersonation "WE BANS THEMS! WE BANS THEM FILTHY RUNNING BACKS! *cackling laughter*. It seems like more than likely it was "Hey Warren, the NFL is getting ready to put AP on the commish list." "Oh wow, this is serious, probably for the best for now" "Yeah, this is sorta your job (dealing with the NFL) so do what they need you to" "Okay, will do"
The reports implied Warren was working with the NFL to keep Peterson off the field for the rest of the season after he came off the commissioner's list. Let's face it, if Warren was doing it, the Vikings were doing it. He clearly wasn't a rogue element within the organization working against the wishes of ownership.
I fail to see how that is the Organizations fault. Publicly they have done a far better job of saying the right things than APs camp has.
Which clearly means very little because whatever the core issue is between Peterson and the Vikings, it's pretty obvious that it hasn't been discussed publicly by either side. We have virtually no specific information about the exact nature of the disagreement.
We seriously disagree here. As far as FOOTBALL operations go the Wilf's have run a pretty honest operation. They don't jerk around staff or players and they take safe routes. AP has a DOCUMENTED history of issues big and small. (massively excessive speeding tickets, Call girls charged to his charity (while he was engaged), the inability to operate a condom) I have never seen him as anything but an incredibly gifted athlete that knows he is and expects to reap the rewards. He has never once ever struck me as someone with integrity. Work ethic? Yes. Competitive spirit? Yes. Maybe even a pleasant person? Yes. But never once someone with integrity. So the short of that one is. I feel like the Wilf's have actually earned the benefit of the doubt by generally treating Staff and players with respect (caveat to that would be when the office said they WEREN'T trading Percy, maybe? But my gut tells me that was just a ploy for better picks). While AP is basically a Diva who has managed to play up to exceptions and has had no reason to act out until now.
No offense, but that sounds like an understandably purple-tinged point of view. :) If you want to emphasize Peterson's "documented history of issues" it seems unfair to overlook that a New Jersey Superior Court judge ruled "that the Wilfs had committed fraud, breach of contract and breach of fiduciary duty, and violated the state's civil racketeering laws. In a stinging rebuke, Wilson said then that Zygi Wilf demonstrated "bad faith and evil motive" in his trial testimony."

The Wilfs had an $84.5 million ruling made against them in a court of law. I know you emphasize football operations in your post above but if a few traffic tickets and a once-reckless sex life call Peterson's integrity into question, I'd say that ruling makes it pretty clear the Wilfs are willing to go to great lengths in their own self-interest. Based on that ruling, we can hardly just assume they have acted with integrity throughout this process.
Except he isn't. The cardinals issue is a perfect example. It has been repeatedly reported that his contract is a major issue in any trade. I have to believe that if APs First/Second choice (Cardinals) said "hey take a pay cut and we can do this" and he is super willing to take a pay cut. It would happen. As of now all indications are he wants to play somewhere else... for 13 million.
... or that the Vikings didn't want to accept whatever the Cardinals were offering (was an actual offer even made? I forget) and were unwilling to make the trade. If that was the case, Peterson's willingness or unwillingness to renegotiate wouldn't matter.
I believe that he is as dishonest as he needs to be to get what he wants.
You're free to believe that if it's what you want to believe but like so much of the what's beings aid about this whole situation, it's just another assumption. What has he been dishonest about thus far?

I understand that all of this is aggravating and that we've all been frustrated by it in one way or another but I really wish more people would back off on some of the judgment and just accept that we don't know very much about what is actually going on.
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Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

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The Breeze wrote:@Irish
I doubt anyone is going to agree with the way my take has turned, but I've yet to see anything definitive suggesting AD has desired to be placed ahead of the teams security. That seems to be a source of partially informed speculation based upon individual judgements regardless of facts known and unknown.

He has an issue that he and his family feels very strongly about. An issue that has provoked in him a sense of feeling justified that the integrity of his contract has been broken, by that I mean he feels slighted in a way significant enough that he feels he can walk away from the deal with a clear conscience.
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He doesn't work with the Wilfs or Warren, he works for them. I can clearly see a scenario in which it goes completely against his integrity to continue to do so.
I would feel the same way if I was in his shoes...if that scenario is fact.
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Nothing they have told him so far has changed his opinion of them and has only seemed to embolden the stance of his camp.
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We're talking about a 30 year old who has banked well over $100m and absolutely loves the game of football....and practically everyone with an opinion is suggesting this is about a few more finances and face instead of it being far simpler and more explanatory when considering his behavior.
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To continue to assume that ownership is completely innocent in all of this and that Peterson is acting out of unprovoked malicious selfishness, traits that completely go against both camps histories, is giving credit to those who really haven't earned it....both ways.
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They all want him back blah blah blah...of course they do! Dude gives 1000% every down, is always ready without ever needing outside motivation, finishes plays and is an absolute beast. And evidently he said just cut me I don't want your money, your contract or your team.
Now what does that really mean? A bluff? I'm saying no. He's basically giving them the same tone as he does a saftey in the open field.
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It means that he doesn't want to work for these people any more and is willing to take significantly less money somewhere else in order for that to happen.
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I hope to god they trade him and that it's just taking awhile to milk out the best offer they can get.
Dude does not want to be here.
Peterson may be a lot of things but I do not believe he is dishonest.
Yes. It is all because of Warren and the Vikings FO that AP wants out. That is why Adrian called Jerry Jones LAST YEAR before any of this happened telling JJ he wanted to play for him. Sounds like AP is just using this as an excuse for a goal he already had in mind.
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frosted wrote:Your points are legitimate, but there's a chance that it becomes the only option (that is, trading him). If he truly refuses to cooperate with the Vikings management, and is hell bent on playing elsewhere, I find it to be unlikely that Zimmer and Spielman try to force his hand and keep him here. I realize they can keep him here if they wish, since he's under contract, but at what point do you stop trying to appease someone who's (allegedly) acting like a baby back #### and move on?
I assume at the point where differences become completely irreconcilable but we don't seem to be there yet and if things get to that point, I wouldn't expect the Vikes to get a great return in trade.
We'll see what happens. Seems like a lot of pigheadedness from Peterson's camp though. Allegedly.
Again, I just have to emphasize that we don't know really know what's going on.
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Mothman wrote: I assume at the point where differences become completely irreconcilable but we don't seem to be there yet and if things get to that point, I wouldn't expect the Vikes to get a great return in trade.
Again, I just have to emphasize that we don't know really know what's going on.
Understood - as much as it appears the situation involves an unreasonable mindset from Adrian, it still remains an alleged mindset.


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frosted wrote:Understood - as much as it appears the situation involves an unreasonable mindset from Adrian, it still remains an alleged mindset.
That's an excellent way to put it.

Meanwhile, Peterson-related articles keep on comin'. This one is about age and what he might be able to accomplish in his 30s:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... in-his-30s
Only seven running backs in NFL history have logged more than 1,000 carries in their 30s, and just two -- Walter Payton and John Henry Johnson -- averaged more than 4.01 yards per carry. Emmitt Smith logged 5,789 yards in his 30s on his way past Payton in the all-time rushing annals; if Peterson still wants to break Smith's all-time rushing record of 18,355 yards, he'd have to be 41 percent more productive than Smith in his 30s. And even if Peterson were to average five yards a carry in his 30s, he'd need 1,633 more carries -- or roughly six seasons of feature back-level work -- to match Smith.

The Vikings' interest in bringing Peterson back is clearly rooted in the belief the running back will be primed for a big year in 2015. If Peterson ran for 2,097 yards on his way back from a torn ACL in 2012, the thinking goes, how fired up will he be after sitting out for a year and seeing his reputation sullied?

There is certainly some precedent for MVP-type production from running backs in their early 30s; Tiki Barber ran for 1,860 yards at age 30, and followed it up with 1,662 yards at 31. Payton posted 1,684 yards when he was 31, and Curtis Martin ran for 1,697 at that age. All told, there have been 10 seasons of 1,400 yards or more by backs in their 30s, and seven of them have come since 2000.
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Things that happen every day I this thread:

1) Somebody makes a declaration on the state of the situation

2) Jim explains why our declarations are opinions tinged by perception instead of fact.

3) Much hand wringing over the uncertainty of situation

4) Opinion of Peterson's personal life is brought up

5) We all say "I JUST WANT CLOSURE"

And then we do it all again tomorrow...
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DK Sweets wrote:Things that happen every day I this thread:

1) Somebody makes a declaration on the state of the situation

2) Jim explains why our declarations are opinions tinged by perception instead of fact.

3) Much hand wringing over the uncertainty of situation

4) Opinion of Peterson's personal life is brought up

5) We all say "I JUST WANT CLOSURE"

And then we do it all again tomorrow...
:lol: I apologize for my role in that daily routine. It just drives me nuts to see so much angry judgment being hurled around based on assumptions, inaccurate or incomplete information, a complete misunderstanding of the situation, etc. I've really tried to be a voice of reason throughout all this, in so small part just to keep the situation from getting out of hand here again. However, I'm sure it gets tiresome so I do apologize for that.
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Oh, no need to apologize, Jim. You have a very valid point you're making. I will admit though, the frustration of the situation combined with the repetition of this thread has made me begin to almost hate this thread. I understand why its a big issue and why the same things are coming up every day, though, so I'm sure it's just my frustration with the lack of closure, or really, any NEWs*.

*That's new news, combined into one word and also stressing the fact that NEWS is just NEW with an 's'. As it should be.
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DK Sweets wrote:Oh, no need to apologize, Jim. You have a very valid point you're making. I will admit though, the frustration of the situation combined with the repetition of this thread has made me begin to almost hate this thread.


Oh, I absolutely hate this thread! I dread reading it and I curse my compulsion to post in it as often as I do. Seriously, I understand exactly what you mean above.
*That's new news, combined into one word and also stressing the fact that NEWS is just NEW with an 's'. As it should be.
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Mothman wrote:

Oh, I absolutely hate this thread! I dread reading it and I curse my compulsion to post in it as often as I do. Seriously, I understand exactly what you mean above.
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I agree! Although I can't stop reading this thread, it really makes my head hurt.

In other news I am super duper hung over from a employee party. Maybe that is why my head hurts.
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Norv Zimmer wrote:I agree! Although I can't stop reading this thread, it really makes my head hurt.

In other news I am super duper hung over from a employee party. Maybe that is why my head hurts.
:lol: That might be it.
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Hey, let's lighten the mood a little. Here's Adrian Peterson on a camel.

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dead_poet wrote:Hey, let's lighten the mood a little. Here's Adrian Peterson on a camel.

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http://deadspin.com/adrian-peterson-rod ... 1693084017
BS. Its just a photo from an unnamed photographer.

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