Cassel traded to Buffalo

Post by **dead_poet** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:26 pm

fiestavike wrote: What happened to Vikings other 7th round pick? I can't remember.

What other 7th round pick?

DK Sweets · Post by **DK Sweets** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:27 pm

dead_poet wrote:

Honestly, I'd be happy with any of those guys as a backup. None are great, but I don't see a significant drop off from Cassell and the price will be much lower. Plus, we got draft picks.

It would be interesting to see Hill return to Minnesota.

Post by **Cliff** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:28 pm

Ammo for Rick to change a 2nd round pick to a late 1st?

fiestavike · Post by **fiestavike** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:30 pm

dead_poet wrote:
What other 7th round pick?

I thought they just got a 5th and 7th from the bills in return for cassel and a 6th?

Post by **Cliff** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:30 pm

fiestavike wrote: I thought they just got a 5th and 7th from the bills in return for cassel and a 6th?

The 7th is for 2016.

The Breeze · Post by **The Breeze** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:30 pm

I don't think Hoyer fits.
I don't like Whitehurst.

Can someone post a list? My phone is only half smart....

Off the top of my head Campbell is my preference. He'd be a good guy to provide some mentorship also.

The Breeze · Post by **The Breeze** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:33 pm

DK Sweets wrote:Honestly, I'd be happy with any of those guys as a backup. None are great, but I don't see a significant drop off from Cassell and the price will be much lower. Plus, we got draft picks.

It would be interesting to see Hill return to Minnesota.

Hill is another guy I like for a backup.

chicagopurple · Post by **chicagopurple** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:35 pm

Manziel will continue to screw up, get cut, and we will pick him up as a rehab project.........Love Boat Redux.....

fiestavike · Post by **fiestavike** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:35 pm

Cliff wrote: The 7th is for 2016.

thanks!

PurpleKoolaid · Post by **PurpleKoolaid** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:38 pm

If this goes where I think its going, im going to pull my eyes out.

kurtkeoki · Post by **kurtkeoki** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:41 pm

I love this trade. Having a reliable veteran backup QB is nice, but it's not as important for the Vikings as it is for teams that are ready to compete for the Super Bowl. If Brady, Rodgers, Luck, etc have to miss a few games, a quality backup might be the difference between 12-4 and 10-6. For the vikings, if Teddy misses a few games, and we now have Whitehurst, or Sanchez, or whoever, instead of Cassel, we probably go 5-11 instead of 6-10 or 7-9.

Even if Teddy plays all year, our ceiling for this year isn't that high, 10-6 would be pretty optimistic, with 9-7 or 8-8 more realistic. Now say Teddy misses extensive time. With Cassel we probably go 7-9 or 6-10. With a random backup, we probably go 5-11 or 4-12. So if Teddy gets hurt, we're pretty screwed regardless, which is why I like trading Cassel and getting something for him, even if it means we're thin at backup QB, a position that will only be used if we're already in big trouble, as in Teddy being hurt.

The teams that need a guy like Cassel or teams like the Bills, or teams like the Patriots. In the Bills case, he has a chance to start. In the Pats case, he would be on a team good enough to win a game or two if he had to start for them, and he would give them a better chance than an inferior backup. Obviously if Brady goes down, the Pats are in trouble, but if he suffers, say, a two week injury, the pats have a chance to win those games with Cassel, whereas their chances are worse with a developmental type guy filling in for Brady.

I feel our chances of winning games without our starter are sufficiently low regardless of our backup, which means it's not worth investing much money in one. I read an article about a year ago that made a case for always going with a developmental guy as a backup, because chances are a team was screwed if their starter got hurt. While that is true if the starter is elite and misses extensive time, in didn't account for the times when an elite starter misses a game or two, and a serviceable backup fills in and wins a game that a developmental guy wouldn't have won.

mmvikes · Post by **mmvikes** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:41 pm

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Wtf. We traded a capable back up and a pick for a 5th and a garbage throw away pick next year? Whatever I guess.

I am with you HVF. Cassel would be a better backup than the FA options out there. Maybe Sanchez but he isn't coming here with Teddy set as the starter.

The Breeze · Post by **The Breeze** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:41 pm

PurpleKoolaid wrote:If this goes where I think its going, im going to pull my eyes out.

They sign Ponder or TJack for 3 yrs $6mil?

mmvikes · Post by **mmvikes** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:43 pm

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Wtf. We traded a capable back up and a pick for a 5th and a garbage throw away pick next year? Whatever I guess.

I am with you HVF. Cassel would be a better backup than the FA options out there. Maybe Sanchez but he isn't coming here with Teddy set as the starter.

DK Sweets · Post by **DK Sweets** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:44 pm

The Breeze wrote: They sign Ponder or TJack for 3 yrs $6mil?

Why not both?

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