Some independent verification that Bridgewater was pretty unlucky with respect to interceptions. And that he may have been near the top of the league, throwing an interceptable ball only once every 33.5 passes (just worse than Rodgers, way better than Brady).
Carr had a ton of INT's dropped - like four in the KC game where the defenders got both hands on the ball.
To be completely honest, the guy looking into this from football outsiders seems to be pretty high on Teddy from back in his college days. But if it makes us happy to read, let's not complain.
John_Viveiros wrote:
To be completely honest, the guy looking into this from football outsiders seems to be pretty high on Teddy from back in his college days. But if it makes us happy to read, let's not complain.
Cheers to that! Haha
That's an awesome breakdown, though. I'm getting higher on Teddy every day.
Some independent verification that Bridgewater was pretty unlucky with respect to interceptions. And that he may have been near the top of the league, throwing an interceptable ball only once every 33.5 passes (just worse than Rodgers, way better than Brady).
A discussion of this, and comparison to Derek Carr. The gist:
Carr had a ton of INT's dropped - like four in the KC game where the defenders got both hands on the ball.
To be completely honest, the guy looking into this from football outsiders seems to be pretty high on Teddy from back in his college days. But if it makes us happy to read, let's not complain.
Does he provide any criteria for how he's determining whether a pass was "interceptable"?
Mothman wrote:
Does he provide any criteria for how he's determining whether a pass was "interceptable"?
In the article there's a pretty good synopsis of each pass that was considered to be interceptable, categorized by whether it was a bad decision (the one he lofted up against Green Bay) or just a bad throw (the drop int against Tampa). It also includes three docs that go even more into depth that I didn't read.
maembe wrote:In the article there's a pretty good synopsis of each pass that was considered to be interceptable, categorized by whether it was a bad decision (the one he lofted up against Green Bay) or just a bad throw (the drop int against Tampa). It also includes three docs that go even more into depth that I didn't read.
Thanks. I read the article but I'm wondering is what criteria Cian Fahey of Football Outsiders used to determine which of Bridgewater's pass attempts he would classify as "interceptable" in the first place. The synopsis is pretty clear in regard to the passes he selected. How did he arrive at those selections? What, according to him, made a pass "interceptable"?
Man, coming back to read this whole post is awesome.
This whole thread is like Viking fans "getting over" Teddy's Pro Day outing and starting to believe that yes, the guy has a good arm and actually can be accurate on deep passes.
It gets good when people's opinions start to change about the offensive line play, then about the receivers. Yes, having injuries up and down your line and having receivers that bumble passes into the other team's DBs is going to make it tough for your quarterback...and yet the guy still was the best rookie quarterback in the league last year and probably the most successful true rookie the Vikings have ever had (albeit...they didn't usually play rookie quarterbacks right away for many years). Unless you count Culpepper, but Pep had a lot more to work with in his second year than Bridgewater has.
Last year, I didn't even think the Vikings had a shot at Bridgewater until that Pro Day, and even then I didn't think those scouts would be so stupid as to discount the guy from the first round for just one bad Pro Day showing after a legendary collegiate career. Complete with lots of great deep passes.
I still think Bortles probably has the most potential of that class, but I also don't think he will realize it in time to keep from being benched and then becoming developmentally stunted. So there's that.
After all, in 2001, clearly Michael Vick was the most "talented" quarterback in that class, but clearly the best one was Drew Brees. Teddy compares very well to Brees in so many weird and uncanny ways.
[sarcasm on, obviously] As Aaron Rodgers and Teddy Bridgewater have shown us in the past, even if you’ve proven — week after week, in actual, real, live football games — that you play the position of quarterback better than all of your peers by a significant margin, not everyone will believe that you can PLAY QUARTERBACK IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.
Interesting how so many people who are in the general business, not Vikings homers, are putting Teddy into pretty elite company.
John_Viveiros wrote:The Grantland perspective (in an article on Mariota) references Teddy, basically as if he's the real deal already: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/marcu ... arterback/
Interesting how so many people who are in the general business, not Vikings homers, are putting Teddy into pretty elite company.
Especially mentioning him with arguably the best QB in the game right now.
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PurpleMustReign wrote:
Especially mentioning him with arguably the best QB in the game right now.
It's good company to keep but the author of the article didn't compare the quality of their performance as NFL QBs. He used them as examples to make a point about the way scouts and teams can over-think their evaluation of accomplished college QBs, causing them to drop in the draft.
Mothman wrote:It's good company to keep but the author of the article didn't compare the quality of their performance as NFL QBs. He used them as examples to make a point about the way scouts and teams can over-think their evaluation of accomplished college QBs, causing them to drop in the draft.
True... but still.
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Rookie Season Review: How Teddy Bridgewater Compares with Other Quarterbacks
After a promising rookie campaign, we now have 13 games and 402 throws worth of data on Bridgewater.
What we really want to know is what to expect from the young quarterback in the years to come. Understanding his level of quality, where he thrives, and where he doesn’t will give Minnesota valuable information with which to build the offense around him. And of course, we as fans just want to know how good he is and how good he will be.
To try and pry this information from the data, we can answer three important questions.
How does Bridgewater’s rookie season stack up against other rookie quarterbacks past and present?
What can these statistics actually tells us and which are the most meaningful?
Can the numbers be tweaked to more accurately represent the performance of Bridgewater and how does he stack up after doing so?
To answer the first and second questions, I have a sample of 59 quarterbacks since 1993, all of which threw 150 or more passes in their rookie seasons.
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I just hope Teddy keeps the pace going he had towards the end of the year. That will be a big help down the line. Also, if he gets with the WR's over the break and gets some timing down.
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