PurpleMustReign wrote:
Our line has sucked for years. Coaching up a late round prospect doesn't mea much when you can't get the rest of the line to play well.
Kalil never played well? Loadholt hasn't played well? Getting a couple bottom of the draft interior linemen to play well enough to earn five year extensions isn't enough? And with the only option on the roster being Charlie Johnson can hardly blame him for that. Kalil had an amazing rookie season, got hurt his second year, and who knows what was going on last season. But it's hard for me to believe it's related to Davidson.
Sullivan and Fusco were highly regarded out of college. The interior OL was not a highly drafted position in general. They were definitely top 5-6 respectively at their positions.
Fusco was the 11th interior linemen taken and Sullivan was the 13th. There were only 5 centers taken in 08 so I guess technically he was top 5. Not sure how highly regarded a player can be when they're drafted in the sixth round.
Fusco was rated as high as a 2nd round prospect, but a consistent 4th across the board. #4 rated center that year.
Similarly to how Yankey fell. He was a potential 2nd rder too.
Sullivan, was the #3 rated center out of Notre Dame. Only knock was that he had maybe peaked athletically. 6'4" 301 with 30" vertical, very impressive.
Regardless, they both did what they had to as professionals and have developed very well.
Is it Davidson?, those guys?
Demi wrote:
Kalil never played well? Loadholt hasn't played well? Getting a couple bottom of the draft interior linemen to play well enough to earn five year extensions isn't enough? And with the only option on the roster being Charlie Johnson can hardly blame him for that. Kalil had an amazing rookie season, got hurt his second year, and who knows what was going on last season. But it's hard for me to believe it's related to Davidson.
Fusco was the 11th interior linemen taken and Sullivan was the 13th. There were only 5 centers taken in 08 so I guess technically he was top 5. Not sure how highly regarded a player can be when they're drafted in the sixth round.
Demi, the line has sucked for years, even you have said so during the game threads. And if you can quote me to where I said that that those players never played well, I will drop the subject.
Loadholt has probably been the best and most consistent lineman we have had in the last few years. And, as I said, coaching a couple of late round picks into decent status doesn't warrant any praise when you can't coach high round picks to improve while they are in the league.
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Sullivan, was the #3 rated center out of Notre Dame.
And Loadholt was pretty bad early in his career. He couldn't pass block to save his life. And it's improved considerably.
And I'll take a guy who can take a couple 6th~ round picks and coaching them into starters over a guy who can take a 3rd overall pick and "coach" him. You don't take left tackles in the top 5 that need to be "coached". They shouldn't. And his play his rookie season should make people wonder about that at this point.
PurpleMustReign wrote:
Our line has sucked for years. Coaching up a late round prospect doesn't mea much when you can't get the rest of the line to play well.
Btw, if you want to be a long time contributor to the board, I suggest you ease up on the baiting type posts and the immature attitudes. Ive noticed it a lot in your posts and it won't fly here.
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what won't fly? because i question another poster? look up jeff davidson's history with o lineman over the years with new england and carolina and that's why i question someone who questions him. he is regarded as one of the better oline coaches in the league. if having some football knowledge intimidates you or any other posters then by god you better ban me slick because i'm going to bring it. our oilne was garbage in 2014 because of kalil and injuries to our entire right side. if this board isn't interested in actual debate about football then maybe i'll find somewhere else to post about my favorite team.
PurpleMustReign wrote:
Demi, the line has sucked for years, even you have said so during the game threads. And if you can quote me to where I said that that those players never played well, I will drop the subject.
Loadholt has probably been the best and most consistent lineman we have had in the last few years. And, as I said, coaching a couple of late round picks into decent status doesn't warrant any praise when you can't coach high round picks to improve while they are in the league.
have you seen kalil's effort the past two years? is that davidson's fault?
slapnut19 wrote:
f off. what won't fly? because i question another poster? look up jeff davidson's history with o lineman over the years with new england and carolina and that's why i question someone who questions him. he is regarded as one of the better oline coaches in the league. if having some football knowledge intimidates you or any other posters then by god you better ban me slick because i'm going to bring it. our oilne was garbage in 2014 because of kalil and injuries to our entire right side. if this board isn't interested in actual debate about football then maybe i'll find somewhere else to post about my favorite team.
Davidson certainly hasn't gotten much out of Johnson or Kalil. Load is about the same he always was, minus the mistakes. Kalil decided to take that role. I would love to see Tice back in MN.
PurpleKoolaid wrote:Davidson certainly hasn't gotten much out of Johnson or Kalil. Load is about the same he always was, minus the mistakes. Kalil decided to take that role. I would love to see Tice back in MN.
#1 has anybody gotten much out of Johnson and
#2 didn't davidson coach kalil to a pro bowl 2012 season?
So back to topic.....
The 2 Super Bowl teams are there without the elite WR.
Strong run game or an all time great QB. Do we really need a high draft WR ?
Both teams have shut down defenses.
So with that being said, we have AD, and I think adding LB Shaq Thompson and CB PJ Williams would be a great help to the defense.
Offense returns to full health on the OL and AD is back to being AD.
We could add a FA somewhere. Still think we restructure or release Greenway. Robison maybe too.
Yankey starts as does Crichton. LB corps is Barr, Thompson, Cole, Hodges.Mauti.
IIsweet wrote:So back to topic.....
The 2 Super Bowl teams are there without the elite WR.
Strong run game or an all time great QB. Do we really need a high draft WR ?
Both teams have shut down defenses.
So with that being said, we have AD, and I think adding LB Shaq Thompson and CB PJ Williams would be a great help to the defense.
Offense returns to full health on the OL and AD is back to being AD.
We could add a FA somewhere. Still think we restructure or release Greenway. Robison maybe too.
Yankey starts as does Crichton. LB corps is Barr, Thompson, Cole, Hodges.Mauti.
So yankey and Crichton start after not seeing the field in 2014? That's asking an awful lot imo
IIsweet wrote:So back to topic.....
The 2 Super Bowl teams are there without the elite WR.
Strong run game or an all time great QB. Do we really need a high draft WR ?
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I don't think we do. In fact I think it's a waste to some degree. You need competent pros who are also willing and able to fight for the ball regardless of getting hit.
Also, it merits pointing out that the Patriots have had a different guy lead the team in rushing each month of the season this year.
I'm getting to the point of believing that it's not necessary to have superstars at either position. Would rather have those guys on defense and at QB..
I'm really glad we have Anthony Barr and Harrison Smith....I would like to see the Vikes work on complimenting these guys while letting Bridgewater make his receivers into stars. And I don't give a rats rear who runs the ball as long as the dude will get yards after contact and run hungry/angry.
IIsweet wrote:So back to topic.....
The 2 Super Bowl teams are there without the elite WR.
Strong run game or an all time great QB. Do we really need a high draft WR ?
Both teams have shut down defenses.
So with that being said, we have AD, and I think adding LB Shaq Thompson and CB PJ Williams would be a great help to the defense.
Offense returns to full health on the OL and AD is back to being AD.
We could add a FA somewhere. Still think we restructure or release Greenway. Robison maybe too.
Yankey starts as does Crichton. LB corps is Barr, Thompson, Cole, Hodges.Mauti.
Mauti and cole are players fans fall in love with but rarely pan out. I want more talented players on this team, not average athletes the Midwestern crowd can rally behind. There's a reason zimmer pushed those two down the depth chart during camp
