Purpnation wrote:
Correction, he COULD HAVE been the best WR to ever step on the field, if his attitude wasn't complete ####. That is what sets him and Rice apart, Randy is a moron.
We agree on this at least.
How great Randy was is what makes it such a shame that he half-assed it. It wasn't a matter of being tired, it was a matter of being a ******. Sorry, but its true. Moss had no heart and folded like a cheap tent when the team fell behind, time and time again. If you are playing an individual sport and want to do that, ok. But in a team sport, to behave that way is unacceptable.
Nobody was more excited than me when we drafted Randy Moss, and I enjoyed watching him play when he gave effort, but once I started to see what poor football character he had, it was tough to enjoy having him on the team.
How great Randy was is what makes it such a shame that he half-assed it. It wasn't a matter of being tired, it was a matter of being a ******. Sorry, but its true. Moss had no heart and folded like a cheap tent when the team fell behind, time and time again. If you are playing an individual sport and want to do that, ok. But in a team sport, to behave that way is unacceptable.
Nobody was more excited than me when we drafted Randy Moss, and I enjoyed watching him play when he gave effort, but once I started to see what poor football character he had, it was tough to enjoy having him on the team.
well i disagree and think he dealt with way more off the field problems then any of us know about. you could argue i'm speculating, but in all honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he has a borderline personality disorder that was never properly diagnosed. brandon marshall has the same thing, and was arrested 7 or 8 times before getting things straightened out but it took him years. his foundation is doing all kinds of wonderful things in the mental health field (which no one takes seriously). when you look at moss's erratic behavior and poor decision making early on in his career, it is quite similar to marshall's although moss wasn't arrested as many times. brandon marshall used to purposely bat down balls in practice that were thrown to him, that attitude is eerily similar. to say moss was a moron is an ugly statement. if you don't think a borderline personality disorder is serious--well just ask mike tyson because he deals with that too. it is a real emotional disorder and those that have it cannot properly process their emotions. hence one minute he was the nicest guy in the world, and then the next a total as*hole.
Purpnation wrote:Correction, he COULD HAVE been the best WR to ever step on the field, if his attitude wasn't complete ####. That is what sets him and Rice apart, Randy is a moron.
mosscarter wrote:well i disagree and think he dealt with way more off the field problems then any of us know about. you could argue i'm speculating, but in all honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he has a borderline personality disorder that was never properly diagnosed. brandon marshall has the same thing, and was arrested 7 or 8 times before getting things straightened out but it took him years. his foundation is doing all kinds of wonderful things in the mental health field (which no one takes seriously). when you look at moss's erratic behavior and poor decision making early on in his career, it is quite similar to marshall's although moss wasn't arrested as many times. brandon marshall used to purposely bat down balls in practice that were thrown to him, that attitude is eerily similar. to say moss was a moron is an ugly statement. if you don't think a borderline personality disorder is serious--well just ask mike tyson because he deals with that too. it is a real emotional disorder and those that have it cannot properly process their emotions. hence one minute he was the nicest guy in the world, and then the next a total as*hole.
Everything is a disorder today. sigh.
Nobody in the world just has bad character and bad values anymore.
perhaps fiestavike, but some are much more serious than others. read up on borderline personalities, trust me that is no joke and knowing randy he wasn't going to even bother getting diagnosed, or take medicine that could have balanced out his mood. i'm just saying, i think there is more than we know with what he dealt with off the field. i can't wait for the documentary.
mosscarter wrote:perhaps fiestavike, but some are much more serious than others. read up on borderline personalities, trust me that is no joke and knowing randy he wasn't going to even bother getting diagnosed, or take medicine that could have balanced out his mood. i'm just saying, i think there is more than we know with what he dealt with off the field. i can't wait for the documentary.
I don't want to get into a debate about this as this isn't the time or place and I've gone down that road already, but I have read up on it.
Purpnation wrote:
Facts are facts my dude, Randy could have been the best to ever live, but he was a childish ####. Terrible teammate, and terrible waste of talent.
That's not a fact, it's an opinion. My opinion is that you're ignorant about this topic.
DKSweets wrote:Everybody loves to judge behind the screens of their computers today. sigh.
Nobody in the world just has a good heart or a good understanding of real issues anymore.
Compassion is harder than snide comments. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I have compassion for people with bad character and bad values. I have compassion for people with mental health problems. I don't have compassion for those who seek to explain away every character flaw and lousy expression of values with a "mental health" explanation that implies a scientific/chemical explanation that very frequently does not exist or is measured and gauged by behavior which could have multiple explanations. I don't have respect for bad science in the name of science, which diminishes both mental health and science.
I love watching the highlights from those days. Culpepper to Moss was a terror of a QB/WR tandem. They could clean up anybody's defense.
I don't think there is any doubt that Culpepper was developing into a major talent. It really helped him to have both Moss and Carter, but it helped those two guys to have Daunte as well. Pep's best season came at a time when Moss was injured for most of it. But that said, Culpepper was at his best with Randy.
As for Moss, he certainly had attitudinal issues. Bad ones at times. But it doesn't negate the impact he had on the field. If someone wants the "facts" about Moss, go peruse his stats on NFL.com. It will tell you exactly what he did as a WR. That can never be taken away. I think that irritates those who constantly express indignation about Moss.
I wish the Vikings had a QB/WR tandem like Pep and Moss these days.
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frosted wrote:
That's not a fact, it's an opinion. My opinion is that you're ignorant about this topic.
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So what is it you disagree with? That Randy could have been the best ever, or that he was a crappy teammate with a crappy attitude? Both points would be very difficult to dispute with any validity.
I don't think the attitude of the Viking ownership at the time did anything at all to encourage a great attitude from the players. And that's not in any way an attempt to justify Moss's antics but I do get his attitude...he was straight up Loki from the getgo and perfect for the Vikings during his time here.
I can't imagine there was too many times in his whole life that he wasn't the best athlete on the field...total freak of nature and easy to imagine him having some kind of superiority complex and straight up boredom of mere mortals....especially place kickers.
I don't think there was anything he could have done as Viking with his attitude or effort that would have changed anything championship wise and I think he knew that too.....he's definitely not a stupid guy.
1998...there's not one thing you could complain about him that season and look how the coaching and front office handled it's business from that last game til about end of last season.
You think it's frustrating being a fan of this franchise? Imagine playing for them.
I'm just grateful he was a holy terror for the Vikings and I got to see so many of those games.
