No More Ponder!!!!

[BGM]

But he can't. And maybe we should blame the guy that kept him here. Despite it being clear he couldn't succeed?

Or, we can just roll with it, pray Bridgewater stays healthy and Harnish is a quick study so Spielman can have a face-saving out. I refuse to crucify the guy for picking the wrong QB, as that happens far more often than hitting the QB jackpot. The same guy also drafted Teddy Bridgewater, Harrison Smith, knew enough not to re-sign Jared Allen, so he's had his share of hits as well.

[purplehaze]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make or what point you think i am trying to make.

My point is Ponder was at the helm. What don't you get.? Study the tape all you want.

[VikingHoard]

Comparing Teddy behind a bad o-line to Ponder behind a bad o-line is unfair. Scrambling is one of Teddy's greatest strengths, so naturally he will do better in such situations. Ponder is the type of quarterback who does well behind a great line, (one which can give him at least 15 seconds of protection each down), when his 1st look receiver is open for 10 of those seconds and less than 20 yards away. If Ponder had gotten that all game I'd bet his performance would have been comparable to Teddy's play last Sunday. Also, although we haven't seen Bridgewater do it yet, I'd bet Ponder is better at the post-terrible performance interviews. His "Obviously things didn't get executed as we'd hoped" and "our problems are correctable and we will correct them for next week" still has me believing in this guy! But Teddy? Well, I suppose we'll have to wait for him to have a terrible performance he gives an interview after to see.

[fiestavike]

My point is Ponder was at the helm. What don't you get.? Study the tape all you want.

I still don't get your point or what that has to do with anything I said. I was talking about the offensive line not Ponder.

[Ragnar]

What is better? Harnish or Ponder? Does anyone really think we would have won with either? Bridgewater? I think we should just be happy that our future did not have to experience that game. This loss was a total team effort. Can anyone single out someone who played well?

This was an embarrassment from the start to the end.

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[purplehaze]

I still don't get your point or what that has to do with anything I said. I was talking about the offensive line not Ponder.

You said the line was bad against the dirty birds. I guess that means more power to Teddy.

[frosted]

You said the line was bad against the dirty birds. I guess that means more power to Teddy.

I think that is exactly it - Teddy elevates the play of those around him. Christian, I feel he degrades the play of those around him.

[fiestavike]

You said the line was bad against the dirty birds. I guess that means more power to Teddy.

Yes, I would say so. They also had a very effective scheme that demanded a lot less of the linemen in that game.

[Reignman]

Ponder has certainly played worse than he did tonight.

In terms of rating, tonight was the 4th worst of his career at 45.8. In the 3rd quarter he was at 13.8. So garbage time basically saved him from by far the worst game of his career, which was 35.5.

Comparing Teddy behind a bad o-line to Ponder behind a bad o-line is unfair. Scrambling is one of Teddy's greatest strengths, so naturally he will do better in such situations.

That's not gonna fly. Ponder is a better rushing/scrambling QB than Teddy. From those who support Ponder, they say running is one of his strengths. Teddy is a lot more elusive. He has that instinct and an internal clock that keeps the right time.

The difference is, when Teddy scrambles or gets out of the pocket, he keeps his eyes down field. When Ponder does, he tucks and runs. Teddy and Ponder are also polar opposites when it comes to the blitz. Teddy excels when other teams blitz him, and Ponder folds like a cheap tent. Just look at the final drive of the game. With Packers in prevent Ponder did ok, but on the final 3 plays when they blitzed, Ponder didn't do squat. Teddy is cool and keeps calm, Ponder almost panics immediately.

[Reignman]

I think that is exactly it - Teddy elevates the play of those around him. Christian, I feel he degrades the play of those around him.

Nailed it! That's exactly what I see too.

[fiestavike]

In terms of rating, tonight was the 4th worst of his career at 45.8. In the 3rd quarter he was at 13.8. So garbage time basically saved him from by far the worst game of his career, which was 35.5.
That's not gonna fly. Ponder is a better rushing/scrambling QB than Teddy. From those who support Ponder, they say running is one of his strengths. Teddy is a lot more elusive. He has that instinct and an internal clock that keeps the right time.

The difference is, when Teddy scrambles or gets out of the pocket, he keeps his eyes down field. When Ponder does, he tucks and runs. Teddy and Ponder are also polar opposites when it comes to the blitz. Teddy excels when other teams blitz him, and Ponder folds like a cheap tent. Just look at the final drive of the game. With Packers in prevent Ponder did ok, but on the final 3 plays when they blitzed, Ponder didn't do squat. Teddy is cool and keeps calm, Ponder almost panics immediately.

Ponder does not have the composure to be an NFL quarterback, but I though he did a little better stepping up into the pocket instead of rolling out and tossing the ball away or scrambling for 1 yard as usual, and he didnt just turtle up every time he felt pressure. After his second pick, I thought he played a bit better that he typically has in the past.

[VikingHoard]

In terms of rating, tonight was the 4th worst of his career at 45.8. In the 3rd quarter he was at 13.8. So garbage time basically saved him from by far the worst game of his career, which was 35.5.
That's not gonna fly. Ponder is a better rushing/scrambling QB than Teddy. From those who support Ponder, they say running is one of his strengths. Teddy is a lot more elusive. He has that instinct and an internal clock that keeps the right time.

The difference is, when Teddy scrambles or gets out of the pocket, he keeps his eyes down field. When Ponder does, he tucks and runs. Teddy and Ponder are also polar opposites when it comes to the blitz. Teddy excels when other teams blitz him, and Ponder folds like a cheap tent. Just look at the final drive of the game. With Packers in prevent Ponder did ok, but on the final 3 plays when they blitzed, Ponder didn't do squat. Teddy is cool and keeps calm, Ponder almost panics immediately.

I still stand by what I wrote. If Ponder had been given 15 seconds of protection time with his 1st read open for 10 of those seconds and within 20 yards of Ponder on every play, he would have looked just as good today as Bridgewater did on Sunday.

[NDVikeFan]

Should have just forfeited and flown home.

Why did we keep him? Could have signed anyone for a lot less and got just as much.

Oh yeah, SPIELMAN.

Technically no. We cut Ponder and his salary counts against the cap. Sign someone else and it counts against the cap.

So really keeping him was better for the cap even though he is terrible. No third string QB would have went into Lambeau tonight and did much, and Ponder is the luckiest guy in the World to be getting paid what he does.

I say just keep him, ride it out, pray to God Teddy doesn't get hurt, and if he does just play Anyone else besides Ponder. Than next year you roll with Teddy, Cassell as backup and 3rd stringer that actually hasnt embarrassed himself over and over again.

With that said I wouldn't care if they cut him Tommorow. No way the other 52 guys on the team have any confidence in him doing anything if he starts again.

Just a bad night, and hopefully we never have to see Ponder play another meaningful snap as a Viking ever again.

[purplehaze]

I still stand by what I wrote. If Ponder had been given 15 seconds of protection time with his 1st read open for 10 of those seconds and within 20 yards of Ponder on every play, he would have looked just as good today as Bridgewater did on Sunday.

Dude, seriously go back and time how many seconds teddy had to throw against the dirty birds on average and compare it to check down charlie and report back to us. Seriously.

Edit: What my point was is Teddy gets the ball out of his fuching hands light years ahead of Ponder.

[Reignman]

I still stand by what I wrote. If Ponder had been given 15 seconds of protection time with his 1st read open for 10 of those seconds and within 20 yards of Ponder on every play, he would have looked just as good today as Bridgewater did on Sunday.

Apparently you didn't see all those quick short passes that Ponder missed on badly early in the game. Or all those deep balls he missed on badly, even with a clean pocket. And I hate to break it to you, but the average pass in this league is released in 2.5 to 3 seconds from the snap. I've clocked some of Ponders games, and he's much slower at getting rid of the ball the most QB's. And because of that, it makes the o-line look worse than it is. Remember the Steelers game last year? Strange how the o-line looked immediately better in that 1 game when Cassel started, and it's becaues he was getting rid of the ball in a timely manner. Last week was the same, the o-line looked better with Teddy because Teddy can make a decision and get rid of the ball quickly. Not to mention he can buy additional time with his elusiveness.