Kluwe rips Frazier, Spielman, Priefer

[Mothman]

I read the Executive Summary of the report. It confirmed only the "nuke the gays" statement (1 time) and found there was no evidence of a pervasive atmosphere of homophobia (my paraphrase). It actually is pretty thorough in how it addressed Kluwe's allegations that his punting had not declined. The summary did not agree with Kluwe's assessment that he was released for other than football reasons. I would think Kluwe will have a tough road here if he proceeds with that part of his lawsuit.

This article seems to contradict Halunen's assertion that both sides agreed to release the "whole report". (Emphasis added was mine)
Two observations:

1) "sources close to the investigation" are always a little suspect; but
2) The executive summary seems to be (again) the agreed upon disclosure.

So, depending on the credibility you want to give to "sources close to the investigation, " it might suggest Kluwe's camp is changing the rules as we go along.

I will say that Kluwe's tweets about the alleged underage girl are a little disconcerting. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt (that works for him and Priefer, equally) on why him not reporting the issue on the inappropriate comments by Priefer makes sense with him not wanting to be "blackballed," but I'm curious on his justification for waiting until now to report the alleged "compromising situation with an underage[d] girl."

I hear you, especially when he says this all about doing the right thing. It looks more and more to like it's about Kluwe extracting his "pound of flesh from the Vikings for personal reasons.

Thank you for the link you provided above. If that e-mail from Halunen is genuine, it certainly undermines the "song" he and Kluwe are singing now.

[Just Me]

I did notice one thing about the report. Only 4 players were ever interviewed. Walsh, Kluwe, Longwell and Loeffler. So if more things were said outside of Kluwes range with other players we will never know about it. Good way to limit things. It does look like the interviewed the entire office staff however.

I could be a good way to limit things, or it could be that these were the 4 players in Kluwe's allegations that would have had the best opportunity to support Kluwe's claims, since that group of 4 players would have worked closely together and would have had the best chance to observe and confirm Priefer's alleged discriminatory behavior. It is a valid, point, however.

[Funkytown]

I will say that Kluwe's tweets about the alleged underage girl are a little disconcerting. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt (that works for him and Priefer, equally) on why him not reporting the issue on the inappropriate comments by Priefer makes sense with him not wanting to be "blackballed," but I'm curious on his justification for waiting until now to report the alleged "compromising situation with an underage[d] girl."

That falls on everyone who knew about it, not just Kluwe. It's the whole NFL culture. Kind of like groupthink: "Oooo, let's keep this hush hush. It's better for the group! Let's throw our individual morals out the window to win, baby!" Penn State, anyone? The sports culture can be ugly. Haven't we learned that by now? Do we really want Kluwe to share all that he knows? Just because he didn't share these things at the time, doesn't mean he is the only one going to come out looking bad, so, let's not get our hopes up there! I'm sure there would be a heck of a lot more people looking foolish than just Kluwe and Priefer. I still think if he had been fired, this wouldn't be where it is at now. I think Kluwe is very bitter about how the Vikings are backing Priefer, and just how they are handling it overall. I hope Priefer is worth it to them, but I don't think he is, especially if it gets as ugly as I think it's going to. Good luck, Vikes! Better luck next time eliminating distractions, as well. Epic Fail.

[Funkytown]

That's because Kluwe is a weasel. If he thought something wrong was done he should have addressed it when it happened...

You think? If these things are true, and Kluwe knew about them, I would imagine many others knew, as well. Are you going to have the same things to say about them for not speaking up? You might end up turning on half of your team. Be prepared for that. I know it's really sad that Kluwe can't be the only bad guy, but as he said, it's about to get real. Too bad.

[Raptorman]

That falls on everyone who knew about it, not just Kluwe. It's the whole NFL culture. Kind of like groupthink: "Oooo, let's keep this hush hush. It's better for the group! Let's throw our individual morals out the window to win, baby!" Penn State, anyone? The sports culture can be ugly. Haven't we learned that by now? Do we really want Kluwe to share all that he knows? Just because he didn't share these things at the time, doesn't mean he is the only one going to come out looking bad, so, let's not get our hopes up there! I'm sure there would be a heck of a lot more people looking foolish than just Kluwe and Priefer. I still think if he had been fired, this wouldn't be where it is at now. I think Kluwe is very bitter about how the Vikings are backing Priefer, and just how they are handling it overall. I hope Priefer is worth it to them, but I don't think he is, especially if it gets as ugly as I think it's going to. Good luck, Vikes! Better luck next time eliminating distractions, as well. Epic Fail.

One thing about his tweet on the underage girl. It is going to get the attention of the authorities in MN. Kluwe just took this to the next level. I am sure we will be hearing more about it one way or the other. The Vikings should have known not to pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose and is probably smarter then most of their lawyers.

[Funkytown]

One thing about his tweet on the underage girl. It is going to get the attention of the authorities in MN. Kluwe just took this to the next level. I am sure we will be hearing more about it one way or the other. The Vikings should have known not to pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose and is probably smarter then most of their lawyers.

I agree. I still can't believe they went this route. They should have done everything possible to settle this and make it go away.

[Just Me]

That falls on everyone who knew about it, not just Kluwe. It's the whole NFL culture. Kind of like groupthink: "Oooo, let's keep this hush hush. It's better for the group! Let's throw our individual morals out the window to win, baby!" Penn State, anyone? The sports culture can be ugly. Haven't we learned that by now? Do we really want Kluwe to share all that he knows? Just because he didn't share these things at the time, doesn't mean he is the only one going to come out looking bad, so, let's not get our hopes up there! I'm sure there would be a heck of a lot more people looking foolish than just Kluwe and Priefer. I still think if he had been fired, this wouldn't be where it is at now. I think Kluwe is very bitter about how the Vikings are backing Priefer, and just how they are handling it overall. I hope Priefer is worth it to them, but I don't think he is, especially if it gets as ugly as I think it's going to. Good luck, Vikes! Better luck next time eliminating distractions, as well. Epic Fail.

I agree (if true) this falls on everyone in the team. My only point was that if Kluwe really is trying to do the right thing, shouldn't he do that? What I don't want to see happen is: he loses his lawsuit and then another issue comes up that he has neglected to mention. If it is important enough to mention - then mention it. Now. Not when it's personally convenient or advantageous to oneself. That is the epitome of narcissistic behavior.

If it's about Priefer, (and not about the cause that Kluwe says it is) doesn't that undermine Kluwe's position? His lawsuit (IIRC) was going to have the proceeds going to LGBT causes. That indicates his motives sincere, and I actually have to respect that stance. If it becomes about Kluwe "winning the argument" and that is contingent on "Priefer losing" then the whole LGBT issue becomes a side issue only to serve Kluwe's apparent need to "punish Priefer."

It will never make what Priefer did "right," regardless of Kluwe's motivations, just to be clear. I agree with you: think it is going to get "more ugly" (I'm psychic - ) before it gets better. I think these distractions are Zimmer's fault! Fire him now!!!

[Funkytown]

Put on the big boy pants and deal with it.

Oh, I completely agree people need to be tougher. However, I'm missing the part on how all of this always falls back on Kluwe to some people. So, if he's supposed to be man enough to ignore harsh words and such, why couldn't Priefer ignore Kluwe's opinions that had nothing to do with him? How does that work? Or does the, "be a man" standard only work for Kluwe? I think they could both learn how to act right.

[Mothman]

One thing about his tweet on the underage girl. It is going to get the attention of the authorities in MN. Kluwe just took this to the next level. I am sure we will be hearing more about it one way or the other. The Vikings should have known not to pick a fight with someone who has nothing to lose and is probably smarter then most of their lawyers.

I seriously doubt that.

The Vikings didn't "pick a fight" with anybody here. They responded to Kluwe's accusations.

As for the potentially explosive rumor about players and an underage girl, apparently that may be a reference to a rumor once posted on Deadspin (Kluwe's old pals) about Tarvaris Jackson and Sidney Rice:

http://thevikingage.com/2014/07/18/chri ... erage-sex/

[Funkytown]

I don't know the details of what happened either, so what "should" have been done in this case I can't say. Its quite possible that we are talking about a serious moral crime and everyone, including Chris Kluwe, are in the wrong for keeping quiet. That would only make Chris Kluwe twice as culpable as everyone else, first for not coming forward when it happened, and second for only bringing it up in an attempt to get leverage against the team. There is no way to spin this that is good for him.

Well, better late than never, right?

[Funkytown]

As for the potentially explosive rumor about players and an underage girl, apparently that may be a reference to a rumor once posted on Deadspin (Kluwe's old pals) about Tarvaris Jackson and Sidney Rice:

http://thevikingage.com/2014/07/18/chri ... erage-sex/

Whew! Ex-Vikings! ...helps a little.

[Mothman]

Whew! Ex-Vikings! ...helps a little.

It doesn't appear to be a rumor that had any legs. It certainly came and went without much press. Now that Kluwe has re-opened that can of worms, I hope he has some evidence to back up what he's implying, especially since authorities may take an interest (assuming they didn't already check out and/or dismiss the rumor when it first came up).

[Raptorman]

I seriously doubt that.

The Vikings didn't "pick a fight" with anybody here. They responded to Kluwe's accusations.

As for the potentially explosive rumor about players and an underage girl, apparently that may be a reference to a rumor once posted on Deadspin (Kluwe's old pals) about Tarvaris Jackson and Sidney Rice:

http://thevikingage.com/2014/07/18/chri ... erage-sex/

I am talking about his overall intelligence. Which is very high compared to most people. Doesn't mean he has common sense.

[Mothman]

Kluwe clearly wants his "pound of flesh":

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11236 ... estigation

Kluwe, however, said the Vikings' discipline of Priefer didn't go far enough. In settlement discussions with the Vikings, Halunen had argued that Priefer should be suspended for four to eight games. That kind of punishment, Kluwe said, would have been fair in light of NFL discipline for players and coaches involved in recent scandals in New Orleans and Miami.

"Based on the NFL's code of conduct, and the Vikings' code of conduct, this is something that deserves a significant amount of time," Kluwe said. "In the Bountygate (case in New Orleans), the head coach (Sean Payton) was suspended for a year. (Defensive coordinator) Gregg Williams was suspended indefinitely. In the Miami investigation (of Jonathan Martin's bullying claims), a trainer (Kevin O'Neill) and a coach (offensive line coach Jim Turner) were fired. A DUI, it's a four-game suspension for that offense. I don't think that should be out of the norm (for Priefer's comments)."

From the same article:

"I think there's a big difference between guys (talking) to independent investigators and guys being willing to perjure themselves," he said. "They might remember things differently if it turns out there's actual jail time at stake."

The punter added that kicker Blair Walsh -- who told investigators the comment did not sound like something Priefer would have said -- recalled the comment to Kluwe during an April 2013 locker room conversation, and Halunen said he provided investigators with text messages from Walsh to Kluwe that corroborated the claim.

[PurpleKoolaid]

You think? If these things are true, and Kluwe knew about them, I would imagine many others knew, as well. Are you going to have the same things to say about them for not speaking up? You might end up turning on half of your team. Be prepared for that. I know it's really sad that Kluwe can't be the only bad guy, but as he said, it's about to get real. Too bad.

OFC! If half the team knew what Kluwe says was true, I would hope all of them would man up. If they knew 2 Vikings raped an underage girl, there would have been investigations. Kluwe is just about exaggerating things to gain the spotlight. He blew what Priefer said out of proportion, soon after he got fired. And now he brings up this other stuff as a parting shot. I hope Kluwe is man enough now to name those players and show some proof. Vikings have had to much of this crap, and if theres a shred of evidence, they had better take action. But Im sure its just Kluwe being Kluwe.