QB draft preference

[jeg067]

Which is why I've longed wished for a review site to grade/review the reviewers (draft accuracy and player evaluations 3-5 years after). That way I'd have an idea of who the heck seems to have a better pulse on things/knows what the heck they're talking about.
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Don't know about the player evaluations but for the draft accuracy you can try :

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml (mock drafts)
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/top100.shtml (big boards)

From what I remember (can't find the previous one but they do it for a while now),
Gosselin used to be the best, but I don't thinK he's "mocking" anymore.

[dead_poet]

Don't know about the player evaluations but for the draft accuracy you can try :

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/mockdrafts.shtml (mock drafts)
http://www.thehuddlereport.com/scoring/top100.shtml (big boards)

From what I remember (can't find the previous one but they do it for a while now),
Gosselin used to be the best, but I don't thinK he's "mocking" anymore.

Thanks! This is what I'm getting at. Interesting to see how these are "scored."

Mayock is one of the best as far as averages (43), but he didn't have a score in 2009 and 2010, which I guess drops him in the rankings. Frankly I was a bit surprised to see Kiper ranked so highly (fourth overall). He seems to always be the butt of jokes but apparently is one of the more consistently "good" draft guys out there.

Lance Zierlein has also done well (his latest mock: http://thesidelineview.com/columns/draf ... ck-draft-2)

As has Brad Clark: (his latest: http://nflsfuture.com/2014/04/11/2014-n ... ll-trades/)

Thanks again for finding this.

[majorm]

Mayock is one of the best as far as averages (43), but he didn't have a score in 2009 and 2010, which I guess drops him in the rankings. Frankly I was a bit surprised to see Kiper ranked so highly (fourth overall). He seems to always be the butt of jokes but apparently is one of the more consistently "good" draft guys out there.

It's like so many other things. People generally only remember mistakes.

I usually compare stuff like this to offensive linemen. NObody notices them until they get called for holding. The average fan pays no attention to a guy doing his job and handling his assignments play after play. But give up a sack or get a penalty called and, "you SUCK!"

So nobody remembers when Kiper nails it, just when he has a big miss. And it appears he hits more than he misses.

[Mothman]

It's like so many other things. People generally only remember mistakes.

I usually compare stuff like this to offensive linemen. NObody notices them until they get called for holding. The average fan pays no attention to a guy doing his job and handling his assignments play after play. But give up a sack or get a penalty called and, "you SUCK!"

So nobody remembers when Kiper nails it, just when he has a big miss. And it appears he hits more than he misses.

He knows his stuff and is a diligent researcher with a pretty remarkable memory.

[Texas Vike]

He knows his stuff and is a diligent researcher with a pretty remarkable memory.

True. But he's also a bit of a doofus, which is probably why we dismiss undervalue his takes

[S197]

What I mean when I say system QB is that Mettenberger is a product of Les Miles' college system. Miles has always put his players in position to succeed. That is why players like Tony Jefferson, Zach Mettenberger, Matt Flynn, and Jamarcus Russell can look like great quarterbacks. Miles' offensive system has yet to produce a bonafide NFL starting QB.

Now conversely, you look at Teddy Bridgewater/Derek Carr for example, and they are running pro-style offenses. Plus, who are Bridgewater and Carr throwing to?Who is their supporting cast? How dominate is either's offensive line?

Mettenberger not only has a great running back in Jeremy Hill, he has both Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham Jr. He plays in a great scheme that Les Miles runs. I know these points may not mean much to you Jim, and that is totally fine - I understand. However, I look at all the circumstances surrounding Zach Mettenberger and I am less impressed with him at each passing juncture.

Fresno St. isn't a pro-style offense. We've also seen a few "most pro-ready" QBs run through here (Ponder & David Booty) so I don't know how much stock I put into that anyway.

[majorm]

It's generally better practice to target who you think the best QB'a are instead of whatever comes around or is left over.

Okay, but I don't think there is a QB worth taking at #8 with the defensive holes the Vikings have. I hope they think the same thing. Take defensive help at #8 and you're probably going to get a QB you like with your second pick.

PA made a great point this morning. How much better do you really think Football, Bridgewater or Bortles is than Mettenberger, Garoppollo or a few others considered kind of in that "second tier." They all have huge question marks attached to them. Chances are you probably have about the same make it or break it potential waiting until the second pick.

PA also had a draft guy on that is absolutely convinced that Mettenberger is the best QB in the draft and "will be a star." I've never seen opinions vary so widely on a group of QBs.

[Mothman]

Okay, but I don't think there is a QB worth taking at #8 with the defensive holes the Vikings have. I hope they think the same thing. Take defensive help at #8 and you're probably going to get a QB you like with your second pick.

PA made a great point this morning. How much better do you really think Football, Bridgewater or Bortles is than Mettenberger, Garoppollo or a few others considered kind of in that "second tier." They all have huge question marks attached to them. Chances are you probably have about the same make it or break it potential waiting until the second pick.

I've been asking the same question PA asked for a while and I know others here have too. As you said, they all have questions attached to them so theoretically, they might be able to get someone with similar potential in R2 to a QB they could choose with the eighth pick. However, I think headless_norseman has a point. There ARE differences in size, skill, experience, etc. between these QBs. The Vikings choice should probably come down not only to who they think will be the best of the bunch but to who will be the best fit for them. Which QB do they think is coachable, has the leadership qualities they want, the work ethic they want and above all, the skills set that will allow him to run their offense successfully? That's the QB they need to target and I think "fit" needs to be the biggest determining factor in when they select a QB. If they feel there is a player who is clearly the best fit for them and he will be available at #8 but they don't think they'll be able to get him later, they should probably just take him.

[Slick Rick]

I think at this point, if I had my pick, I'd take Bridgewater. I think he's just simply the most talented overall. He has a very good arm, he's accurate, he has been consistently getting better, and he's just a smart QB.

Realistically though, I think I want Tajh Boyd. I can't understand what the deal is with everyone saying this guy's a 4th-5th round pick, and that he's a backup at most. He has been the most consistent of any of the guys at the top of this draft, averaging nearly 10 YPA over the last 3 years, and improving in almost every area for every year he's played. He has mobility, he's not that small, and he's built like a running back. Also, he has a great arm. I think he could be a huge steal in the 2nd or 3rd round, although people would probably whine if we "reached" for him in the 2nd.

[PurpleKoolaid]

I wonder if Tom Savage is going to be the next big name in the cant miss, top 5 Qbs to draft. Ive never seen a year like this. And Teddy is still the best of them, just like he was at the start of the college season.

[Texas Vike]

I think at this point, if I had my pick, I'd take Bridgewater. I think he's just simply the most talented overall. He has a very good arm, he's accurate, he has been consistently getting better, and he's just a smart QB.

Realistically though, I think I want Tajh Boyd. I can't understand what the deal is with everyone saying this guy's a 4th-5th round pick, and that he's a backup at most. He has been the most consistent of any of the guys at the top of this draft, averaging nearly 10 YPA over the last 3 years, and improving in almost every area for every year he's played. He has mobility, he's not that small, and he's built like a running back. Also, he has a great arm. I think he could be a huge steal in the 2nd or 3rd round, although people would probably whine if we "reached" for him in the 2nd.

I watched him when they played FSU this year and I could not believe how bad he looked. He looked Josh Freeman on MNF bad. He looked drunk. He couldn't complete a pass. Then there was this rookie sensation Winston on the other team that was just hitting everything. It sure didn't put Boyd in a good light. I remember watching him the previous season and thinking he was a baller.

[Demi]

I watched him when they played FSU this year and I could not believe how bad he looked. He looked Josh Freeman on MNF bad. He looked drunk. He couldn't complete a pass. Then there was this rookie sensation Winston on the other team that was just hitting everything. It sure didn't put Boyd in a good light. I remember watching him the previous season and thinking he was a baller.

Yeah, he's so pathetically inaccurate. Pryor is a better QB than he is...plays like an idiot too. Can't read defenses or go through his progressions.

[majorm]

I've been asking the same question PA asked for a while and I know others here have too. As you said, they all have questions attached to them so theoretically, they might be able to get someone with similar potential in R2 to a QB they could choose with the eighth pick. However, I think headless_norseman has a point. There ARE differences in size, skill, experience, etc. between these QBs. The Vikings choice should probably come down not only to who they think will be the best of the bunch but to who will be the best fit for them. Which QB do they think is coachable, has the leadership qualities they want, the work ethic they want and above all, the skills set that will allow him to run their offense successfully? That's the QB they need to target and I think "fit" needs to be the biggest determining factor in when they select a QB. If they feel there is a player who is clearly the best fit for them and he will be available at #8 but they don't think they'll be able to get him later, they should probably just take him.

Oh yeah. No argument here. IF the Vikings feel that the guy that is the best fit for them is there at #8, they absolutely should take him. I don't happen to see much difference in these top five or six guys. That certainly doesn't mean the Vikings don't.

[Mothman]

Oh yeah. No argument here. IF the Vikings feel that the guy that is the best fit for them is there at #8, they absolutely should take him. I don't happen to see much difference in these top five or six guys. That certainly doesn't mean the Vikings don't.

It's amazing, we really do agree on almost any Vikings subject that doesn't involve your all-time favorite QB, Christian Ponder.

[Webbfann]

But yet you have over 700 posts on this board regarding football. Hmmmm seems rather odd.

And even better yet is he only been a member for 7 months, [/quote]


Which is significantly less in comparison to say yourself, who has 4 times as many posts in scarcely twice the time. Which is sort of expected, since I have much less interest in the offseason in general and draft speculation in particular.