Possible Trade

[mondry]

Proved wrong.

You have to be the worst person ever in real life, not because of your negativity, but just listening to you talk about yourself..

Get a grip pal.

60% of the time, he's right every time!

[headless_norseman]

I hate saying it, but if we had not reached for Ponder, what was the alternative?

Two, at least we got a historic season from Peterson while Ponder QB'd a playoff season.

That's about as positive as I could spin drafting someone like him.

[Mothman]

I hate saying it, but if we had not reached for Ponder, what was the alternative?

There weren't many alternatives, which is why the main lesson to be learned from that situation is for the team to avoid the situation in the first place. You never want to go into a draft with no QB under contract beyond a second year player like Joe Webb. In retrospect, they could have drafted Kaepernick or Dalton instead but who knows if things would have worked out any better for them if placed in the same situation Ponder was placed in?

Two, at least we got a historic season from Peterson while Ponder QB'd a playoff season.

That's about as positive as I could spin drafting someone like him.

It's something.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Not reaching for a QB in the first was the best alternative. Panicking and reaching for a 3rd rd talent (if that) at number 12 was the worst. They had their eye on Locker and lost it when he was picked. Bone headed move by Spielman. Im betting he will do a similar thing this year, and get us a bad QB. Its what he does best. We have to have one of the worst QB situations in recent times.

[PurpleKoolaid]

Proved wrong.

You have to be the worst person ever in real life, not because of your negativity, but just listening to you talk about yourself..

Get a grip pal.

Whats with the personal attacks? Can I defend myself without another ban?

[Mothman]

Not reaching for a QB in the first was the best alternative. Panicking and reaching for a 3rd rd talent (if that) at number 12 was the worst. They had their eye on Locker and lost it when he was picked. Bone headed move by Spielman. Im betting he will do a similar thing this year, and get us a bad QB. Its what he does best. We have to have one of the worst QB situations in recent times.

I doubt there was any panic in the move at all ("panic" may be the most overused word on this board). Given the circumstances they were in, it seems likely they entered that draft with a list of QBs they were willing to draft in the first round and selected the highest remaining QB on that list. They weren't going to get Newton and if they were more interested in Locker or Gabbert, they clearly weren't interested enough to trade up to draft one of them. I'm not sure where this oft-repeated idea that they wanted Locker and "panicked" when he was drafted comes from anyway. It sounds like an assumption. Is there anything significant to back it up?

Anyway, if they had waited, they might have found themselves with Mallett as their best option and while that might have made a few fans here happy, his character concerns may have scared them away from banking on him.

In the end, the Ponder pick is a choice that could have worked out and didn't and at this point, it's time to move on. Picks like that happen all the time and fans who always want to tell the world about much how much they know or knew better would undoubtedly make plenty of picks of their own that didn't work out if they were in a GM's position. It's part of the draft and part of the sport. No team hits on 100% of their first round choices and QB is particularly difficult to get right. Hopefully, Spielman and the Vikings will have better luck with their next drafted QB and realistically, that's possible.

[AP_AD28]

it's time to move on

well said

[PurpleKoolaid]

I doubt there was any panic in the move at all ("panic" may be the most overused word on this board). Given the circumstances they were in, it seems likely they entered that draft with a list of QBs they were willing to draft in the first round and selected the highest remaining QB on that list. They weren't going to get Newton and if they were more interested in Locker or Gabbert, they clearly weren't interested enough to trade up to draft one of them. I'm not sure where this oft-repeated idea that they wanted Locker and "panicked" when he was drafted comes from anyway. It sounds like an assumption. Is there anything significant to back it up?

Anyway, if they had waited, they might have found themselves with Mallett as their best option and while that might have made a few fans here happy, his character concerns may have scared them away from banking on him.

In the end, the Ponder pick is a choice that could have worked out and didn't and at this point, it's time to move on. Picks like that happen all the time and fans who always want to tell the world about much how much they know or knew better would undoubtedly make plenty of picks of their own that didn't work out if they were in a GM's position. It's part of the draft and part of the sport. No team hits on 100% of their first round choices and QB is particularly difficult to get right. Hopefully, Spielman and the Vikings will have better luck with their next drafted QB and realistically, that's possible.

Its impossible to 'move on' at this time of year. We once again find ourselves short a QB (or 3) and Rick is in charge. Theres going to be more talk about it, not less.

I thought during one of the pre season game Mayock asked Rick about his targeting locker or gabber, and Rick said they were going after ponder the whole time. I believe that to be a lie, and I think Mayock thought it was was. Do I have proof? Nope. I do remember reading about it and hearing about it.

I feel the same about JFB as I did about Ponder. I have watched every bit of tape on ESPN I can, and I just don't see JFB working in our system. I see him causing problem right from the start. I get the opposite feel from Teddy. I see a man that will work with Norv, and work well as a leader. Just a gut feeling. I had the same feeling with Mallet. I think Norv knows QBs and knows whats we need. I hope he has a lot of input.

[Slick Rick]

The Vikings are in desperate need of a young QB with some potential, the fan base has grown tired of mediocrity at the position with no signs of potential growth. While many look to the draft for answers this year is not particularly strong at QB and it's out of our hands (barring a trade up) if we get one of the consensus top QB's. News came out recently that with the signing of Matt Schuab Terrelle Pryor has asked the Oakland Raiders for a trade. Now of course i don't know what his value would be but based on his play assumptions can be made. I like the idea of the Vikings packaging Christian Ponder and a 6th round pick for Terrelle Pryor. Christian has stated his unhappiness with not starting, as has Pryor, so I think a fresh start for both sides would be good. Pryor is an athletic freak at 6'6 230, runs a 4.4 40 and has a very strong arm. He has struggled throwing the ball at times, and while a good portion of that rests on his shoulders there are many factors involved. Raiders offensive line was ranked 29th out of 32 and his receiving core was terrible, Denarious Moore is the best of the bunch and he is wildly inconsistent. With Norvs reputation as a QB guru it makes Pryor a very intriguing prospect. This trade would likely be contingent upon Ponders willingness to restructure his contract, but I just wanted to put it out there and see what everyones opinions are on it.

Christian Ponder is, always has been, and always will be better than Terrelle Pryor. Pointless (if not just plain awful) trade becomes worse when you consider giving them a draft pick.

[S197]

Whats with the personal attacks? Can I defend myself without another ban?

Nope. You hit the report button and let one of us deal with it.

[Mothman]

Its impossible to 'move on' at this time of year. We once again find ourselves short a QB (or 3) and Rick is in charge. Theres going to be more talk about it, not less.

Maybe but it's certainly not necessary talk. The pick was made 3 years ago. The Ponder experiment is over. He's a backup now and for all we know, he won't even be a Viking by the time the season begins. What's left to say beyond a seemingly endless stream of proclamations that you believe Spielman will draft another bad QB? If he does, he does but it's no longer about Ponder. It's about the draft and the next QB.

I thought during one of the pre season game Mayock asked Rick about his targeting locker or gabber, and Rick said they were going after ponder the whole time. I believe that to be a lie, and I think Mayock thought it was was. Do I have proof? Nope. I do remember reading about it and hearing about it.

That sounds like an awful lot of unsubstantiated belief based on very little actual evidence.

I feel the same about JFB as I did about Ponder. I have watched every bit of tape on ESPN I can, and I just don't see JFB working in our system. I see him causing problem right from the start. I get the opposite feel from Teddy. I see a man that will work with Norv, and work well as a leader. Just a gut feeling. I had the same feeling with Mallet. I think Norv knows QBs and knows whats we need. I hope he has a lot of input.

Well, he's been present at a lot of the workouts so far and based on what the media has reported, it does sound like Norv's input will be taken seriously. Hopefully, they'll end up drafting the next great NFL QB.

[headless_norseman]

Easier said in theory than done in practice.

At least it was against the Packers in the last game of the season.