Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
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That last bit there where he mentions how he is in the locker room and what kind person he is...I think is interesting. Considering one of the bigger questions on Manziel has been his attitude.
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Yes. Honestly? I sense a tinge of doubt, but it's hard to interpret tone of what was said via the written word. The content, what was said as opposed to HOW it was said, seems to me to indicate sincere reservations about how JFB would be as a leader of his FB team.lyzarde wrote:That last bit there where he mentions how he is in the locker room and what kind person he is...I think is interesting. Considering one of the bigger questions on Manziel has been his attitude.
I suspect that this is yet another feature of Carr that they (he, Norv, Speil) like.
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Agreed.
It probably depends on the context of the discussion, but if he was asked "what do you think of Manziel?" or something generic like that, and the only thing he really thought of to talk about is what kind of person he is....that strikes me as a negative. As in, he's NOT the kind of person we want. Otherwise why bring that up regarding a player where attitude has been questioned?
It's hard to tell from the short article, it's possible the conversation just flowed that way, hard to know.
It probably depends on the context of the discussion, but if he was asked "what do you think of Manziel?" or something generic like that, and the only thing he really thought of to talk about is what kind of person he is....that strikes me as a negative. As in, he's NOT the kind of person we want. Otherwise why bring that up regarding a player where attitude has been questioned?
It's hard to tell from the short article, it's possible the conversation just flowed that way, hard to know.
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I hope he goes before 8. I really don't think theres any way they could could up worse then take a chance on this immature punt. Please, no more QB's who think run the second they feel pressure. I don't think the guy is going to make it in the NFL and we cant take yet another chance. If Teddy is there, go D. Then see who is left with our next pick.
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lyzarde wrote:Agreed.
It probably depends on the context of the discussion, but if he was asked "what do you think of Manziel?" or something generic like that, and the only thing he really thought of to talk about is what kind of person he is....that strikes me as a negative. As in, he's NOT the kind of person we want. Otherwise why bring that up regarding a player where attitude has been questioned?
It's hard to tell from the short article, it's possible the conversation just flowed that way, hard to know.
I recall hearing only positives from fellow A&M players and coaches when this subject came up.
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Hearing of Manziel's knuckleheaded antics can wear anyone down indeed. With Cassel signed, who is the young man in the wings? Sure, why not, take him at 8 if available. Nobody, no scout, no coach, no team reporter and certainly no fan can possibly know what will happen with any player at any position on any team once he is signed. So many times JM made me want to punch him in the face, being from A&M didn't help, but now? Anything can happen so sure, give him a jersey if he's available. The exact same thing can happen should the Vikes choose another player at #8, "anything good or bad" once player "X" hits the field.
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bridgewater. no on manziel. bridgewater had a better completion % and qb rating in college over bortles. smart kid.
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I think they may avoid JFB for two main reasons.
Injuries and and too many problems with him carrying out the game plan, right down to too many abortd called plays via the run.
Injuries and and too many problems with him carrying out the game plan, right down to too many abortd called plays via the run.
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I think this recent article on ESPN has more insight than diversion for the draft.
MINNEAPOLIS -- As the Minnesota Vikings are interviewing quarterback prospects before the NFL draft, offensive coordinator Norv Turner is using a drill he's employed for years in learning about how quickly a player can digest an NFL playbook.
Turner will diagram a handful of plays, with different permutations of personnel and protection schemes, and then turn things around, asking the quarterback prospect to pick several plays and walk through how they're supposed to work. That drill, in addition to teaching the Vikings about their draft options, has been educational for new head coach Mike Zimmer.
"We’ve been working out these quarterbacks, and we go over the offense with these players," Zimmer told reporters at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando on Wednesday. "That’s actually helped. I’ll sit in there, we’ll talk about the offense, and after we get done, I’ll ask him, ‘Why are we doing it this way? This makes more sense to me.’ And we talk about it. He’s been doing it for a long time, so he’s got a lot of good points."
It's clear that as the Vikings determine when to take a quarterback in this year's draft, they're going to lean heavily on Turner's expertise. He helped develop Troy Aikman in Dallas, worked out Drew Brees when the Chargers drafted him and was San Diego's head coach during Philip Rivers' formative seasons. In an organization with a defensive-minded head coach in Zimmer and a general manager who admittedly has struggled at picking quarterbacks (Rick Spielman), Turner's opinion will carry plenty of weight this spring.
From what Zimmer said on Wednesday, though, it appears Turner will have the freedom to do his work in a cooperative structure that, if it works, will succeed because Turner's not itching to be a head coach again and Zimmer's not afraid to admit what he doesn't know. From the Vikings' approach to free agency this offseason and from what Zimmer said on Wednesday, it's been clear the coach's first job this spring has been attending to a defense that gave up more points than any in the league last season. Because of that, Zimmer said, he hasn't been in the offensive meeting room as much as he'd like.
He has Turner, though, who has had three head coaching jobs and seems to relish a coordinator's work, away from the glare of the top job, at age 61.
"I don’t think he wants to be the head coach. I think he wants to be the offensive coordinator. It’s easier," Zimmer said. "If someone wants your job, it’s a little bit harder to handle those kinds of things. But I’ve felt great with Norv."
Zimmer said when he first took the job that he didn't want to simply be a defensive coach and leave the offense to someone else, and one of his first big tasks as a head coach is his ability to jump from overseeing a defense to managing a whole team. But he said again on Wednesday how it was important for him to get an experienced coordinator like Turner, and it's clear Zimmer is using Turner as a resource as much as he's delegating to him.
"I think that was why it was so important I got Norv in here," Zimmer said. "I’ve spent a lot of time with Norv in the last month and a half. I just go sit in his office, and we talk about the quarterbacks, we talk about the draft, we talk about how we use Adrian Peterson, all those types of scenarios."
As that partnership relates to evaluating quarterbacks, it sounds like Zimmer will leave much of the technical work to Turner. The coach's sphere of influence, then, will come more in judging what kind of a leader his quarterback can be. As Zimmer mentioned, he played quarterback in high school, and he'll be able to lean on Turner. It sounds, though, like the coach has a fairly specific persona he's looking for in a quarterback.
"For me, it's the character of the guy. Will this guy lead our football team?" Zimmer said. "I want to make sure that the guy we bring in has the athletic ability but I also want him to have my persona. Because him and I are going to be tied together, whoever we draft. I don't want him to be a completely different personality from me if I can help it. I want this guy to be a leader and a guy who wants to take a bunch a guys and make a great franchise.
"I want him to be the first one in the building. These are a lot of things that I talk to them about and try to figure out how smart he is. All of these quarterbacks have played great in college and all of them could be the guy. The ones that don't make it are the ones when the lights come on and things are moving and he has to react and put the ball in the right place. How do you judge that? That's the biggest thing. How do we figure that out? If any of these teams could figure that out, that would be the right thing."
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings
MINNEAPOLIS -- As the Minnesota Vikings are interviewing quarterback prospects before the NFL draft, offensive coordinator Norv Turner is using a drill he's employed for years in learning about how quickly a player can digest an NFL playbook.
Turner will diagram a handful of plays, with different permutations of personnel and protection schemes, and then turn things around, asking the quarterback prospect to pick several plays and walk through how they're supposed to work. That drill, in addition to teaching the Vikings about their draft options, has been educational for new head coach Mike Zimmer.
"We’ve been working out these quarterbacks, and we go over the offense with these players," Zimmer told reporters at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando on Wednesday. "That’s actually helped. I’ll sit in there, we’ll talk about the offense, and after we get done, I’ll ask him, ‘Why are we doing it this way? This makes more sense to me.’ And we talk about it. He’s been doing it for a long time, so he’s got a lot of good points."
It's clear that as the Vikings determine when to take a quarterback in this year's draft, they're going to lean heavily on Turner's expertise. He helped develop Troy Aikman in Dallas, worked out Drew Brees when the Chargers drafted him and was San Diego's head coach during Philip Rivers' formative seasons. In an organization with a defensive-minded head coach in Zimmer and a general manager who admittedly has struggled at picking quarterbacks (Rick Spielman), Turner's opinion will carry plenty of weight this spring.
From what Zimmer said on Wednesday, though, it appears Turner will have the freedom to do his work in a cooperative structure that, if it works, will succeed because Turner's not itching to be a head coach again and Zimmer's not afraid to admit what he doesn't know. From the Vikings' approach to free agency this offseason and from what Zimmer said on Wednesday, it's been clear the coach's first job this spring has been attending to a defense that gave up more points than any in the league last season. Because of that, Zimmer said, he hasn't been in the offensive meeting room as much as he'd like.
He has Turner, though, who has had three head coaching jobs and seems to relish a coordinator's work, away from the glare of the top job, at age 61.
"I don’t think he wants to be the head coach. I think he wants to be the offensive coordinator. It’s easier," Zimmer said. "If someone wants your job, it’s a little bit harder to handle those kinds of things. But I’ve felt great with Norv."
Zimmer said when he first took the job that he didn't want to simply be a defensive coach and leave the offense to someone else, and one of his first big tasks as a head coach is his ability to jump from overseeing a defense to managing a whole team. But he said again on Wednesday how it was important for him to get an experienced coordinator like Turner, and it's clear Zimmer is using Turner as a resource as much as he's delegating to him.
"I think that was why it was so important I got Norv in here," Zimmer said. "I’ve spent a lot of time with Norv in the last month and a half. I just go sit in his office, and we talk about the quarterbacks, we talk about the draft, we talk about how we use Adrian Peterson, all those types of scenarios."
As that partnership relates to evaluating quarterbacks, it sounds like Zimmer will leave much of the technical work to Turner. The coach's sphere of influence, then, will come more in judging what kind of a leader his quarterback can be. As Zimmer mentioned, he played quarterback in high school, and he'll be able to lean on Turner. It sounds, though, like the coach has a fairly specific persona he's looking for in a quarterback.
"For me, it's the character of the guy. Will this guy lead our football team?" Zimmer said. "I want to make sure that the guy we bring in has the athletic ability but I also want him to have my persona. Because him and I are going to be tied together, whoever we draft. I don't want him to be a completely different personality from me if I can help it. I want this guy to be a leader and a guy who wants to take a bunch a guys and make a great franchise.
"I want him to be the first one in the building. These are a lot of things that I talk to them about and try to figure out how smart he is. All of these quarterbacks have played great in college and all of them could be the guy. The ones that don't make it are the ones when the lights come on and things are moving and he has to react and put the ball in the right place. How do you judge that? That's the biggest thing. How do we figure that out? If any of these teams could figure that out, that would be the right thing."
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings
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Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
Then you should LOVE PonderPurplemania wrote: I ain't even madI've stated many times before- the successful QB's in the league are the ones who are obsessive with being the absolute best ever. Their hard work is top notch. Manziel is almost the polar opposite. I don't know Manziel personally, so I can only go off what I read, but it's the vibe I get.
Personally, for a QB I value brains and hard work over a talent such as Manziel.
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Read a bit more about Manziel. You'll discover that he absolutely yearns to be the best. The media hoopla about him has impeded that image from being evident, but if you read more you'll definitely see it. The guy is hyper competitive, in a good way. He's got fire in his belly and he loves to prove people wrong. He's had plenty of detractors (his size, or this that or the other)… I almost think he courts this kind of situation because he knows he feeds off of it. If he slides in the draft that will be a major motivator too. I'd love to take him in the late first or even in the second.Purplemania wrote: I ain't even mad
Personally, for a QB I value brains and hard work over a talent such as Manziel.
The other point to consider in connection with Zimmer's recent comments: Zimmer seems like a straight shooter to me, but Speilman is anything but that. He loves subterfuge and deception leading up to the draft. It's how they landed AD. I can imagine them saying things in the press to create one impression when their true intentions lie elsewhere. It IS that time of year after all.
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I'm not really in favor of picking this kid.... but it's hard to really say what the gameplan will be. How do we know what Turner would do with a JFB?headless_norseman wrote:I think they may avoid JFB for two main reasons.
Injuries and and too many problems with him carrying out the game plan, right down to too many abortd called plays via the run.
For instance, Bud Grant had two totally different offensive schemes under his control. One type of offense with Tark and then became a wide open passing team with Kramer.
It should be very interesting on draft day and revealing in which direction the team goes.
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@SeifertESPN on TwitterInteresting: McShay/Polian in agreement that Johnny Manziel has stronger arm than Blake Bortles or Teddy Bridgewater.
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Analysts are talking Manzi's arm vs Bortles. My take.. Manziel's is good. Bortles is average
Damn “@RichCimini: Manziel is slinging it. Bill Polian says Manziel's deep ball reminds him of Jim Kelly. #nyj”
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Re: Do you want Johnny Manziel at #8?
I just watched the Manziel "highlight" films on youube and couldn't stop laughing. This guy would be a complete disaster in the NFL. I don't want him in any round.
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I can't tell if you're serious or joking. You watched some "youtube highlights" and came to that conclusion?Webbfann wrote:I just watched the Manziel "highlight" films on youube and couldn't stop laughing. This guy would be a complete disaster in the NFL. I don't want him in any round.