NextQuestion wrote:
Can't believe Kluwe is viewed as a bad guy in the NFL when we have people like Michael Vick still playing
I don't believe that's true (Kluwe being perceived as a 'bad guy'). But, even if it were, that's excusing "bad behavior" (assuming Kluwe has done it for the "attention" - and that has not been established) by pointing to other 'bad behavior' (Vick).
IOW - Anyone can do that. "I can't believe Priefer is being viewed as a 'bad guy' here when we have guys like Ray Lewis, who are venerated." Whether or not Ray Lewis killed someone, refuses to name the person who did, or is involved with a homicide in some fashion will not mitigate (nor should it) Priefer's actions if the allegations are ultimately proven true.
I've told people a million times not to exaggerate!
Ok, he might not be viewed as a "bad guy", but people claim he's a "distraction" when all he's doing is standing up for a group of human beings. Oh, the horror.
NextQuestion wrote:Ok, he might not be viewed as a "bad guy", but people claim he's a "distraction" when all he's doing is standing up for a group of human beings. Oh, the horror.
There can be a wrong way to do the right thing. He didn't have to call out priefer to continue to be an advocate.
Is one big issue for some fans here that Kluwe's allegations disrupt the facade of the Vikings as one big, happy family? Just asking.
When Kluwe was released, I recall a number of people on the board here bidding good riddance, not because of his production, but specifically because he was not "just doing his job". If a player holds a certain position, QB WR LB, having an outspoken personality seems to be accepted, even after allegations or convictions for illegal activities. But, a mere punter is not afforded that clout. He is not worth the potential headaches. Why is that? Why did people take such issue with him being outspoken? I can understand the exasperation over his choice of language, but does that make his position any less valid? What did he do that was so terrible that you, as a fan, no longer wanted him in a Vikings uniform?
I know this seems to have little to do with the current allegations, but it does seem germane, and I am sincerely curious.
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So the team image is damaged by profanity, yet the team has maintained ties with players who have multiple DUIs or domestic abuse issues. Doesn't that seem like a bit of a double-standard? Is there actual damage done by the use of profanity? The truth is that it is all about image in the NFL. It is an exceedingly violent sport that is packaged as family-friendly. Profanity is less family-friendly than convictions. But why is that? Is the other behavior 'expected' of our 'gladiators'?
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I dont care if Kluwe defends those who putt from the rough and i dont care if Priefer insults those who putt from the rough. I do care about the increasingly politically correct, hypersensitivity that contributes to the further erosion of freedom of speech. Too me thats the real issue here. These arent kids in their formative impressionable years. These are adults right? Woof.
I swear you people believe everything you hear from the media. Priefer probably didn't even say all that. Unless another play can testify for Kluwe. Which probably wont happen because they're not the ones unemployed, he is. His views are not wrong. But to accuse the staff of being a biggest just because they won't him his mouth. To bad mouth Frazier, Spielman, Priefer because he's no longer on the team. Why is he the only one with a problem with the staff? Why hasn't no one else complained about what Priefer "allegedly" said.
Like I said, Kluwe is a bigot because he thinks he has right to pop his mouth whenever he wants to the media and still stay on the team. If he wants to support gay ppl he can join a gay activist group or something. This is the NFL. The focus is mainly on football and it seems he lost his focus on that.
Let me tell you something about equality. This world will NEVER be 100 equal. No matter how many marches and speeches you have there are people who will STILL discriminate you about something. He is not like a regular person like you and me. If you and I were screaming about equality, very few people will give a damn. He was a NFL player. Everytime he opens his mouth the media is going to take his story an exaggerate it to something big. That causes a distraction when you see your employee all on new articles.
But im going to assume that you just believe everything Kluwe said right? You wasn't there when it happened but you believe that Priefer said those hurtful comments against gays? Ok then.
Weird that he waits till now to come out with these allegations when all of our coaches are possibly on the hot seat.
This! I find it funny that defending traditional moral values (which work every time they are legitimately tried) is seen as "backwards" thinking, and that to be considered "forward", down has to be labeled up, 2+2 has to=37, and there must be five lights instead of four. What Kluwe alleges Priefer to have said sounds so over the top, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he made it up, given the exuberantly immature nature of different articles he has written on this issue in the past (like the letter to Emmett Burns). I'm not saying for sure he did, because we don't know without an investigation; it just sounds like something that would be the fruit of his high level of creativity.
And, even if Priefer did say it, sure it would be stupid and unnecessary...that said, the chances are zero that he or most anyone else would actually do something like that if they had the resources and the opportunity. Taking such hyperbole seriously is ridiculous, whatever the topic or one's stance on it. Besides, if you substituted the word "Christians" in the alleged remark, how many who are vilifying it now would be cheering and clamoring for Priefer's immediate installation as HC on account of his "courageous" quirkiness?
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PurpleKoolaid wrote:Wow, the one preaching how evil intolerance is, are now calling other names, and if don't agree with them, well your just a bigot too. This story is about Kluwe getting attention and getting back at his old coach(s). His word against theirs. And people are comparing this to civil rights? to MLK, a man who gave everything for his beliefs? Unbelievable.
That's their methodology, to suppress or in some other way eliminate the competition, since they can't win in the arena of ideas. It's projection at its finest. Comparing this fringe issue to the civil rights saga is as hard of an anti-intellectual backhand as one can deliver to every person of color. Kluwe can be an activist all he wants, fine by me. But when the process of doing so includes a bloodlust to destroy another man's career, it crosses a line into the kind of vindictiveness that no longer allows you to be taken seriously.
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Y'all do realize that "Civil Rights" deal with more than race, right? You don't understand the link? At all? "Sexual orientation" is in the Civil Rights category. Civil Rights: protection from discrimination due to one's race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, disability, etc. Civil Rights: freedom and equality for all. Also, protection under the law. Essentially, Civil Rights are human rights. Gays aren't humans or...?
Regardless, I think this is more of a workplace issue. I think Priefer's on-duty conduct differs from Kluwe's off-duty conduct. Two separate issues. The two got linked because of shady workplace behaviors...by Priefer.
Funkytown wrote:Y'all do realize that "Civil Rights" deal with more than race, right? You don't understand the link? At all? "Sexual orientation" is in the Civil Rights category. Civil Rights: protection from discrimination due to one's race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, disability, etc. Civil Rights: freedom and equality for all. Also, protection under the law. Essentially, Civil Rights are human rights. Gays aren't humans or...?
Regardless, I think this is more of a workplace issue. I think Priefer's on-duty conduct differs from Kluwe's off-duty conduct. Two separate issues. The two got linked because of shady workplace behaviors...by Priefer.
Actually, at this point they're linked because of accusations of such behavior. I know you believe Kluwe but I think it's important to maintain that so far, there's been no evidence to support Kluwe's statement. Nobody deserves to be presumed guilty just because someone points a finger at them.
Spiderbeavis wrote:
Comparing this fringe issue to the civil rights saga
Um... no. I am quite certain that nothing I say will change your mind, but I do have to say you are completely wrong. Completely. This IS a civil rights issue and it is NOT a fringe issue. I don't mind you holding an opinion that is diametrically opposed to mine, but I cannot allow blatant misinformation to go unchallenged.
If Priefer said these things, then I certainly do not want him in a position of authority with the Vikings. I fact, I do not want him in a position of authority anywhere, because the statements he made are abhorrent on a very basic level, if he truly said them. Does that make me vindictive? IF he said these things do you think he SHOULD maintain a position of authority? Why?
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NextQuestion wrote:
This is for "King James" - with NO due respect. Go f*** yourself. What you said was the most ignorant possible thing you could say. I dare you to say that to gay/lesbian community. You are a loser and need social education. When did you choose to be straight?
Oops, I'm sorry, is "uneducated" an offensive word now?
I wish I would've seen this before you PM'ed me. All I have to say is, Are you mad bro? Am I uneducated because I believe Homosexuality is a choice? There is no PROVEN fact that homosexuality isn't or is a choice. You call me ignorant but you just called me a loser and told me to go #### myself? Hypocrite much? I'm not intimidated by you or gays, I'm gonna close my mouth for anyone.
Now I learned at a young age that homosexuality is wrong. You may not agree but that's how I feel. I'm not gonna bring religion into this but the bible does talk about it and that's what I believe in. I don't care what you think. All I said that being gay is a choice. Not once did I say gays were bad. Nor did I say people who support them are "ignorant, uneducated losers who need social help." lol
If you like men sticking each other in the butt then that's your choice. To each it's own. I stand by my stance homosexuality is a choice. You might as well calm down because you're not going to do anything but cuss and lash out more insults. As for homosexuals, I try my best to avoid them. Why would I provoke one who has done NOTHING to me. If they stay outta my way then I stay out of theirs. They get in my way then we have a problem.
Priefer probably didn't even say all that. Unless another play can testify for Kluwe. Which probably wont happen because they're not the ones unemployed, he is. His views are not wrong. But to accuse the staff of being a biggest just because they won't him his mouth. To bad mouth Frazier, Spielman, Priefer because he's no longer on the team. Why is he the only one with a problem with the staff? Why hasn't no one else complained about what Priefer "allegedly" said.
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Hypocrite much? I'm not intimidated by you