One last Ponder Thread by Haze

[purplehaze]

Not going to slam him. Just post some facts. In his career, for every 3 games he plays he loses 2. He has a winning percentage of 35% in other words a losing percentage of 65%. Career win/loss is 13W and 23L. His career QB rating is 76.66.

That's the fact Jack.

[mosscarter]

i really believe they will continue to start ponder, and as a result we will lose out. as a result frazier and staff will be gone and i'm quite certain a new coach won't put up with a qb with a 33 percent win rate.

[Just Me]

have you seen any improvement over the last 4 games?

FWIW his last 4 games he has posted an 89.9 passer rating (average). But even within that seemingly decent number, he has varied wildly in those 4 games. It comes down to consistency. With all due respect to those who have asserted Ponder is consistently bad, that is simply not true. He is awful at times and good at other times. I just don't think the Vikings (or any NFL team for that matter) can afford to have that much inconsistency at the QB position.

[purplehaze]

have you seen any improvement over the last 4 games?

Not last 4 games. I see a better game by him played against the Pack. But my gut says his numbers would have been much different if Discount Double Dick was playing on the other side.

[dead_poet]

Not last 4 games. I see a better game by him played against the Pack. But my gut says his numbers would have been much different if Discount Double Dick was playing on the other side.

Rodgers plays defensive back?

[purplehaze]

Rodgers plays defensive back?

No, but he does a great job of moving the chains and keeping our offense off the field.

[akvikingsfan]

On the season, Ponder has played his best ball during the 3rd quarter of games

Third Quarter Stats:

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Attempts     Completions     Percent     Touchdowns     Interceptions     QB Rating
   43            32            69.6          4                0             124.9

And his worse has come during the 4th quarter of games.

Fourth Quarter Stats:

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Attempts     Completions     Percent     Touchdowns     Interceptions     QB Rating
   62            35            56.5           0                4             42.0

If the game is within 7 points either direction (winning or losing by 7 or less) Ponder's stats have looked like this:

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Attempts     Completions     Percent     Touchdowns     Interceptions     QB Rating
   36           21            58.3           0                1             63.1

What all this tells me is Ponder is a decent to good QB when he second half starts, but as the game gets further out of reach or they pull ahead he struggles to keep any momentum going in his favor. He is down right terrible in the fourth quarter. This is not what the team needs at the most important position. I believe Ponder will make a decent backup, but he does not belong in the starter role. He is too inconstant and has not demonstrated that he is able to play a complete game and put other teams away.

[purplehaze]

Rodgers plays defensive back?

One other point about that. Do you remember when the Pack played us at home this year? They did not punt once. They scored on every drive. And Ponders stats for that game was 14/21 for 145 yards with 0TD's. Much of his yards came in garbage time from what I remember.

[tnvikesfan]

QB ratings and stats only count for so much. What really counts is Can He Win. That question has been answered. In spades.

It's broke. It needs fixed.

[LVVikingsfan]

On the season, Ponder has played his best ball during the 3rd quarter of games

Third Quarter Stats:

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Attempts     Completions     Percent     Touchdowns     Interceptions     QB Rating
   43            32            69.6          4                0             124.9

And his worse has come during the 4th quarter of games.

Fourth Quarter Stats:

Code: Select all

Attempts     Completions     Percent     Touchdowns     Interceptions     QB Rating
   62            35            56.5           0                4             42.0

If the game is within 7 points either direction (winning or losing by 7 or less) Ponder's stats have looked like this:

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Attempts     Completions     Percent     Touchdowns     Interceptions     QB Rating
   36           21            58.3           0                1             63.1

What all this tells me is Ponder is a decent to good QB when he second half starts, but as the game gets further out of reach or they pull ahead he struggles to keep any momentum going in his favor. He is down right terrible in the fourth quarter. This is not what the team needs at the most important position. I believe Ponder will make a decent backup, but he does not belong in the starter role. He is too inconstant and has not demonstrated that he is able to play a complete game and put other teams away.

I think a lot of the fourth quarter problems come from the coaching staff. Look at the Vikes last possession yesterday. The run on first down and gain a couple, then run on second down and gain a couple more. Does that look like a team that is trying to win a game? Or does it look like a team who is trying not to lose? You have to throw in this league to be successful I don't care who your running back is. The Vikings would be lot more effective offensively if they would throw a lot more on first down. All they needed to do yesterday was get into Field goal range to win the game, but you are not going to get there with 2 yard carries. I know some of you will say "but Hey the drive before they had consistent 8 and 9 yard carries by both Peterson and Gerheart....all I can say to that is they went to the well too many times, and you need to throw in this league to win. I got the feeling the Vikings got what they were looking for in the final quarter...a tie.

[Mothman]

Not going to slam him. Just post some facts. In his career, for every 3 games he plays he loses 2. He has a winning percentage of 35% in other words a losing percentage of 65%. Career win/loss is 13W and 23L. His career QB rating is 76.66.

That's the fact Jack.

QB winning percentages are really a function of how the team performs, not just how the QB performs, so looking at Ponder's career W/L percentage outside of the context of how the team played around him doesn't mean much to me. I realize his performance influences the outcome of games but there are so many other factors that I don't think such a simple, bottom line view is very valuable.

There's plenty of other evidence that Ponder's not a long term answer as the Vikings starting QB (like that QB rating you posted) but to me, winning percentage is mainly useful as a team stat, not a QB stat. YMMV.

[Purple bruise]

i really believe they will continue to start ponder, and as a result we will lose out. as a result frazier and staff will be gone and i'm quite certain a new coach won't put up with a qb with a 33 percent win rate.

Even you can't be sooo blind as to imagine that Ponder was responsible for the Vikes not beating the Packers Sunday.
It was their defense as has been the case in four or five other losses.

[Purple bruise]

Not going to slam him. Just post some facts. In his career, for every 3 games he plays he loses 2. He has a winning percentage of 35% in other words a losing percentage of 65%. Career win/loss is 13W and 23L. His career QB rating is 76.66.

That's the fact Jack.

One last Ponder thread I will take bets on that

[mansquatch]

I think the most telling thing we’ve seen from Ponder is that we can count the games where he has given us a complete, winning performance, one hand and we do not need all of our fingers. Many things have persisted throughout his NFL career: Indecision in the pocket, terrible accuracy, happy feet, poor field vision, lacks confidence, and the hesitation.

The sad fact is that you watched the Packer’s #3 QB play better than our #1 and that was one our #1 guy’s better games.

[Purple bruise]

I think the most telling thing we’ve seen from Ponder is that we can count the games where he has given us a complete, winning performance, one hand and we do not need all of our fingers. Many things have persisted throughout his NFL career: Indecision in the pocket, terrible accuracy, happy feet, poor field vision, lacks confidence, and the hesitation.

The sad fact is that you watched the Packer’s #3 QB play better than our #1 and that was one our #1 guy’s better games.

Except for the fact that Flynn was playing against the worst, choking defense in the league that was minus 3 starting DBs and playing Blanton, who is a safety against one of the leagues best receivers (Jordy Nelson), do not leave that part out.
And don't mention the 4 dropped passes that totally influenced the outcome.