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Your initial thoughts on the Freeman signing?

Freeman can be the franchise QB we've been looking for.
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11%
I'm hopeful, but don't know if Freeman can be the guy.
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36%
Won't say its good or bad. Will wait and see how things play out.
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29%
Freeman irrelevant. Likely won't play in 2013 and will be gone in 2014.
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Bad. His presence will distract Cassel and Ponder from playing well.
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1%
Awful move, Vikes will make him our franchise and he will fail
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10%
Putting anyone on the field other than Ponder is a mistake
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Other
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dead_poet wrote:I had it in my head we'd play Ponder until he either seized the starting role (ha) or obviously failed then sign rookie and pray that rookie was our next Brady/Manning. Now Ponder is injured, may or may not start again, Cassel may or may not start again and Freeman may or may not start. One or all three might get some playing time at some point? Maybe? Now you have to evaluate three QBs in 12 games? If Ponder is done, is he done at 29 starts and Spielman has seen enough to properly evaluate him and turn the page? What about Cassel? Freeman? What if one of them does...decent? How does that affect potentially re-signing him and how does it play into your draft strategy (with a deep QB class)?

Maybe it's just me. :confused:
The potential answers have changed but the questions really aren't much different than they were a few days ago and a lot of the confusion comes from people trying to read between the lines. I understand that impulse but it does contribute to the overall confusion.

The Vikes have opened the door for Cassel to start next weekend but if I'm not mistaken, their public stance on the situation has been that Ponder is their starting QB. That's probably the least popular choice they could make but that's been their stance.

It's been pretty clear from the start that the team views Cassel as a backup. He was brought in to back up Ponder and that's been his role all along. He was only going to play if Ponder got hurt or played himself completely out of the job (in the eyes of the coaches—I realize he's already done that for most fans). I suspect we can rule him out as a player they need to evaluate over the next 12 games. I think they know what they have in Cassel and they know the role they want him to play. If he wants to be more than a backup, he'll probably void his deal after this season and move on to see if he can find a starting job elsewhere.

That leaves Ponder and Freeman and don't be surprised if this is still Ponder's job to lose. It could be that he's already lost it and Freeman will step in as soon as he's ready but it's possible this is a way of telling Ponder he's truly facing his last hurrah. Seize the job NOW or it's "next man up" and that man is Freeman.

They'll start evaluating Freeman immediately in practice. How much, if any, game time he sees will probably depend on how quickly he picks up the offense, how well he plays in practice and Ponder's performance.

How all of this plays into draft strategy can be figured out in the offseason. The Vikes don't need to worry about that now. The bottom line is their QB situation looks better than it did a year ago. They have more options which means they have more choices to make but ultimately, that's a good thing.
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Hearing it said that Freeman's big arm and ability to drive the ball down the field is a good fit for the #Vikings.
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I've been watching a bit more film on Freeman. While I still don't think he represents a sizeable upgrade, he is > Ponder in several categories

+ Keeping eyes downfield when pressured
+ Arm strength
+ Confidence
+ Deep ball placement
+ Play-action (it's still not great)
+ Pocket awareness

It should be noted that most QBs are > Ponder in these and other categories. He's prone to the same things Ponder is prone to (bad mechanics i.e. footwork, running, awkward sliding, bad decisions)
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1-10yds: 68%
11-21yds: 44.4%
21-30yds: 30.3%
31-40yds: 28.8%
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The only reason to get Freeman is to play him right now, and hope he can save the season. Spielman is try to save his job too. Otherwise this is the biggest waste of 3 million dollars, ever.
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That leaves Ponder and Freeman and don't be surprised if this is still Ponder's job to lose.
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Well I don't like it, but then who am I? Just a fan. I will support him while he is on the team. I just don't have to like it. I will give him this, he is only 5 weeks older than Ponder and has a few more NFL years behind him. He is a bit taller and can run. Upgrade? We shall see. They said he wouldn't start on Sunday, didn't say he wouldn't play.
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dead_poet wrote: LRiddickESPN on Twitter

I've been watching a bit more film on Freeman. While I still don't think he represents a sizeable upgrade, he is > Ponder in several categories

+ Keeping eyes downfield when pressured
+ Arm strength
+ Confidence
+ Deep ball placement
+ Play-action (it's still not great)
+ Pocket awareness

It should be noted that most QBs are > Ponder in these and other categories. He's prone to the same things Ponder is prone to (bad mechanics i.e. footwork, running, awkward sliding, bad decisions)
Glad you're coming around :)
I still think he's better than Ponder and has much more of an upside than Cassel. I am way moer interested, now, on how they will handle the draft. I still think they should draft a QB, but if Freeman goes out and gets 30 TDs and 7 INTs and leads us to a division title, maybe they don't have to spend one of their top pocks for a QB. You know?
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PurpleMustReign wrote:Glad you're coming around :)
I still think he's better than Ponder and has much more of an upside than Cassel. I am way moer interested, now, on how they will handle the draft. I still think they should draft a QB, but if Freeman goes out and gets 30 TDs and 7 INTs and leads us to a division title, maybe they don't have to spend one of their top pocks for a QB. You know?
Yeah, but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. ;)
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PurpleKoolaid wrote:The only reason to get Freeman is to play him right now, and hope he can save the season. Spielman is try to save his job too. Otherwise this is the biggest waste of 3 million dollars, ever.
I disagree. You make the $3M investment because this may be your only shot at signing him (If he signs with another team, you've missed your opportunity). Considering we have Carlson on this team, do you really think the FO is averse to taking a financial risk in the hopes that a player will work out in the future? $3M is "chump change" compared to what we have invested in others.

I'm not saying it won't play out that way, but I'm saying it's not the only option/reason...
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Just Me wrote: I disagree. You make the $3M investment because this may be your only shot at signing him (If he signs with another team, you've missed your opportunity). Considering we have Carlson on this team, do you really think the FO is averse to taking a financial risk in the hopes that a player will work out in the future? $3M is "chump change" compared to what we have invested in others.

I'm not saying it won't play out that way, but I'm saying it's not the only option/reason...
It just sounds like a poor attempt at another stop gap. Meaning, maybe now they don't go first round QB. Not that I want a raw, rookie, QB here, because I don't trust the coaching staff, or Spielman doing the picking. But that 3 million would have been better spent on Winfield, OR on Ryan Mallet.
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at six foot six 248, he is going to give defenses a much more fearsome look than our other qb's - i will be eager to see how he compares to randall cunningham, who had the best season of his career with the vikings.
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Hey where's the "Yay! The Ponder era is finally over" option? Well that was my initial feeling. Now I guess I'll wait and see how this plays out, there's not much else I can do. Too early to complain, too early to praise.

Poor Cassel though, he was patient, got his break, looked good, and a week later the Vikings kick him in the nuts (from his POV). At the very least we got some depth for our usual 6th seed chase now.

And just to clear things up, Frazier officially said Ponder will start vs Carolina if he's healthy, and Cassel will start if Ponder can't go. They're not even going to try to get Freeman up to speed by Sunday, so Cassel will get at least one more start.

Ponder won't see the field again unless both Cassel and Freeman stink it up down the stretch. Besides, what's Ponder going to show you in 1 more start that we haven't seen in his previous 29? Is the 30th start somehow magical? Oh look at that, Ponder can suddenly read a D, throw the ball on time, and with zip and accuracy.
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I wish I was so sure that this meant Ponder was gone from the Vikings. Then it would be worth it, and keep MBT. I just know they wont do that. It wouldn't surprise me if this organization starts Ponder.
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yezzir wrote:
I disagree a ton. They aren't trying to only save this season. They are trying to bring in a QB who has been more or less "elite" for more than one season. Drafting a QB to develop KILLS AD's prime years. So you either draft a "hopeful franchise QB" and trade AD, or you bring in someone like Freeman who has experience and has proven to play at a high level while AD is in his prime.

It's a good move.
He's under contract for essentially 11 games (he's not playing this Sunday). If Freeman performs well, the ball is in his court and the Vikings can't do a thing but be another suitor. It's a "prove-it" contract for him but it's also a "if I do prove it, I might not stay" contract as well. Both sides are non-committal right now, I can't see that as any sort of long-term move. It looks a lot more like a salvage play to me.
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S197 wrote:I disagree with this being a long-term move, it's a last ditch save THIS season effort. Just look at the contract. Despite the Vikings record, they're only a game and a hBoth sides are non-committal right now, I can't see that as any sort of long-term move. It looks a lot more like a salvage play to me.
Yep. Not a big fan of one year deals. If you believe in the guy, give him 2 with 1 guaranteed. Of course, that's if you can get them to sign it. Maybe freeman would only agree to a single year deal.
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Crax wrote: Yep. Not a big fan of one year deals. If you believe in the guy, give him 2 with 1 guaranteed. Of course, that's if you can get them to sign it. Maybe freeman would only agree to a single year deal.
Yeah, Vikings wanted 2 years but Freeman would only sign for one. If he is in there plans beyond this year they better make sure not to yank him around going forward....
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