LB and DB

mansquatch · Post by **mansquatch** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:44 am

IMO what is lacking from the Vikings LB is a player who is more solid in coverage and one who has serious blitz credibility. Greenway is an amazing run defender and very sure tackler. He isn’t elite against the pass. Henderson, IMO, has a similar skillset, just not as elite as Greenway. They need a guy who they are not afraid to put up against a TE as well somebody who can get home when the bring the heat. Nobody will be 100% in the regard. All in all, I think they need an elite athlete at the position. That might make Ogletree the better option, but not if he is a total headcase.

I would be surprised if they are less likely to overlook headcase type issues this year. They just wrapped up the Harvin mess, I doubt they are ready to dive headlong into another situation barely a month removed.

ViciousBritishVike · Post by **ViciousBritishVike** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:46 am

Mothman wrote: LOL! I went through the same thing for a while. It's Te'o.
That's where I stand on it too. If they think he's their guy at MLB, I'll trust them and hope they're right.

I've actually seen him play quite a bit and I've been impressed. He's a tough, instinctive, passionate player. He plays faster than his 40 time at the combine would indicate and consequently, I suspect he'll run a better 40 at his pro day. However, I do see him as more of a "downhill" player than a coverage LB.

You're really cracking me up today...

Gay'o if you're an intrusive combine griller. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist

Post by **dead_poet** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:47 am

Purple bruise wrote:Oakland Raiders' Rolando McClain can seek trade any interest here?
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain has been given permission to seek a trade out of Oakland, according to an NFL Network report.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/ ... 40032.html

He'll be released. He was absolutely horrible and has substantial character concerns (arrests, suspensions, etc.). He was arguably one of the worst 4-3 MLB in the league. I don't want him anywhere near our team.

losperros · Post by **losperros** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:32 am

mansquatch wrote:IMO what is lacking from the Vikings LB is a player who is more solid in coverage and one who has serious blitz credibility. Greenway is an amazing run defender and very sure tackler. He isn’t elite against the pass. Henderson, IMO, has a similar skillset, just not as elite as Greenway. They need a guy who they are not afraid to put up against a TE as well somebody who can get home when the bring the heat. Nobody will be 100% in the regard. All in all, I think they need an elite athlete at the position. That might make Ogletree the better option, but not if he is a total headcase.

I would be surprised if they are less likely to overlook headcase type issues this year. They just wrapped up the Harvin mess, I doubt they are ready to dive headlong into another situation barely a month removed.

Good points. I agree with the specific needs at the LB position that you point out.

As I said to Jim, I'm actually irritated with Ogletree for being someone who is greatly talented but simply cannot stay out of trouble. I'm with you in thinking that the Vikings are in no mood to sign an unstable player, which is exactly what Ogletree has a reputation for being.

The Breeze · Post by **The Breeze** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:06 am

I'm not schooled on the guys that are coming out in the draft, except for a couple of the WRs, so i'm enjoying the exchange on this thread. One thing that comes up for me is how important the MLB position for this type of defense in particular. The great Cover 2 defenses that I remember have had outstanding MLBs. It's seems we have been whiffing at this position for quite a few years now and we've still managed to field a decent defense.

Fraizer's comments on how an upgrade at MLB would be a big step up for the whole defense is so true. So, something that concerns me about this draft is that fact that Chicago is also hurting for a MLB and they draft in front of us. I really hope that if they draft a guy that it's because he's a real game changer and not just a dire need. I mean to say I'd be OK with a stopgap, what ever that would be, for another season rather than grabbing a guy that they are lukewarm about, for what ever reason (character/ability). Same thing at DB....

I'm in total agreement with what DanAS posted in his thread about just grabbing the best player available. There should be a couple of really nice players for us in the first round. If it's a MLB or DB, great.

losperros · Post by **losperros** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:43 pm

The Breeze wrote:I'm in total agreement with what DanAS posted in his thread about just grabbing the best player available. There should be a couple of really nice players for us in the first round. If it's a MLB or DB, great.

The Vikings have so many needs right now that going with BPA will likely address one of them anyway.

Personally, I have no problem with a BPA pick in any round.

Post by **dead_poet** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:16 pm

I know we're in need of MLB more than OLB, however he was at one time thought to be a top-five selection.

Jarvis Jones - LB - Player

Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones ran a 4.92 in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day on Thursday.

Jones also completed 20 bench press reps to go along with a 9-foot-3 broad jump. It's an underwhelming performance, and the forty time is defensive tackle-esque. Jones wasn't expected to wow scouts with his forty. He plays much faster on film, but Thursday's results coupled with spotty medicals might push Jones into the bottom of the first round.
Source: Seth Emerson on Twitter

Post by **dead_poet** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:43 pm

Brad Jones - LB - Packers

Packers re-signed ILB Brad Jones.

Jones was one of the better linebackers left on the market. A 12-game starter, including the playoffs, last season, Jones recorded 92 tackles, two sacks, and a forced fumble. Pro Football Focus graded the soon-to-be 27-year-old as a top-ten inside linebacker in 2012, and he'll likely compete with A.J. Hawk for the starting spot next to Desmond Bishop this summer.
Source: Tom Silverstein on Twitter

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:06 am

6,1,1/2 isn't borderline short for a MLB.. if the guy has great speed and good instincts it wouldn't matter though

UKno1VIKING · Post by **UKno1VIKING** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:03 pm

Going back to the secondary, I'm keen on TJ Macdonald.. Personally I would love to see someone who is such a solid tackler in our secondary. Him and Harrison would break some skulls.
Does everyone else think that 2nd-3rd round projection would be an absolute steal?

Eli · Post by **Eli** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:54 am

This cornerback draft class is thin at the top. The more I read about the top prospects, the less inclined I am to believe the Vikings will take a cornerback in the first round at either #23 or #25. Milliner and Rhodes will be off the board, and nobody else sounds like they're worth a pick that high. Second round is a possibility.

PacificNorseWest · Post by **PacificNorseWest** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:16 pm

Eli wrote:This cornerback draft class is thin at the top. The more I read about the top prospects, the less inclined I am to believe the Vikings will take a cornerback in the first round at either #23 or #25. Milliner and Rhodes will be off the board, and nobody else sounds like they're worth a pick that high. Second round is a possibility.

Trufant is a 1st/2nd round tweener in my opinion. Watching him in college, up until this past year he left a lot to be desired, but stepped his game tremendously his senior year. His surprising 40 time really upped his stock, but as far as from just a football perspective (which is all that matters to me), he's a physical defender who is good in coverage and loves to step up and make plays on the run. He's definitely a guy that Minnesota could use, so I'd be interested to see if he's taken if available with one of those first rounders.

Keep Trufant in the purple and yellow!

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:01 am

I think Trufant will be gone by our picks ..

I would like to see a Nose Tackle be our first pick anyways

DanAS · Post by **DanAS** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:18 am

Purple bruise wrote:Oakland Raiders' Rolando McClain can seek trade any interest here?
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain has been given permission to seek a trade out of Oakland, according to an NFL Network report.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/ ... 40032.html

This guy was given every opportunity to be the franchise MLB in Oakland and he threw it all away. That team invested a lot in him. In return, he behaved like one of the renegade Raiders of old -- except that he wasn't nearly as good on the field as he was bad off of it.

If he wants to come to Minnesota, fine -- let him enter the state (unarmed), go to restaurants, etc. If he wants to come to Minnesota and play for the Vikings, I say, heck no.

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:41 am

agreed

The last thing we need is another problem child with criminal stupidity...

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