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I know it's semantics but I want Griffen to be the starter and Robison the rotator. Sure, the rotator gets a lot of snaps but it doesn't see as many as the starter Griffen has one of the highest ceilings I've seen in a while.
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I liked how they started using him not only at end but occasionally at linebacker, and inside at tackle. He brings a lot more to the table at multiple positions, Robison and Allen don't offer any flexibility.
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Demi wrote:I liked how they started using him not only at end but occasionally at linebacker, and inside at tackle. He brings a lot more to the table at multiple positions, Robison and Allen don't offer any flexibility.

I agree, Robison and Allen won't even move around on the LOS a little to shake things up.
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I expect a continued rotation at DE with Robison, a similarly high motor guy like Jared, Everson's technique's a change up. Proven at both Tackle and End, a player with such versatility is very much worthy of increased game time but it'll be hard with so much talent on the line.

Watching Everson stunt from the tackle position last season and create havoc was awesome!
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ViciousBritishVike wrote:I expect a continued rotation at DE with Robison, a similarly high motor guy like Jared, Everson's technique's a change up. Proven at both Tackle and End, a player with such versatility is very much worthy of increased game time but it'll be hard with so much talent on the line.

Watching Everson stunt from the tackle position last season and create havoc was awesome!

I'm guessing he'll play a bigger role in the Vikes future plans since Allen and Robison are both in their 30s now. He's definitely an exciting player to watch. I hope he becomes a star on the Vikings defensive line.
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saint33 wrote:First of all, the Allen disappointment is silly. He played injured all season, yet had probably his best season against the run he's ever had. He lead the team in sacks, was 8th in the league, and was 3rd out of 4-3 DEs. He did this while garnering the majority of attention from opposing blocking schemes. If say for " down" season that's pretty impressive. I think some of you have been spoiled by Allen's spectacular play to the point where you're disappointed with anything else.

Second, have 3 quality DEs Is a huge advantage. It gives us a great rotation to keep them all fresh and with griffen's versatility inside, we have the ability to put 3 very good pass rushers on the field on passing downs

Lastly, keep in mind Griffen was a huge disappointment in college when put into a starting role. As a situational rusher, he was great in college, but struggled as a starter. And it's not like he barely sees the field, Jared and Robison may be the "starters" but all three see significant time
We pay JA a HUGE amount for sacks. So much, he is gone if his contract isnt reconstucted i think. He had a bad year, stopping a few more runs or not. He isnt, nor never has been, until this year, an average sack DE. Thats like expecting Kobe just to be good at play D.

I think Griffen has shown he cant quite handle a full time starting job. I think if he had, the Vikes would be playing him instead of JA.

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mrc44 wrote::wallbang: get rid of Allen? ya HOF DE is definitely who we should get rid of... only 30 years old, and one of the only leaders on this team. Some of you guys's dont understand that its not just what Allen brings to the field.. :steamed:
Im not saying get rid of him....unless they cant restructure his contract.

I do find it odd some people aernt too upset with the idea PH may be gone, but JA, who is old, and god knows the Vikes cant have old players, is out of the question. His sack production was almost in half of last year. PH is just hitting his stride...just sayin...
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PurpleKoolaid wrote: Im not saying get rid of him....unless they cant restructure his contract.

I do find it odd some people aernt too upset with the idea PH may be gone, but JA, who is old, and god knows the Vikes cant have old players, is out of the question. His sack production was almost in half of last year. PH is just hitting his stride...just sayin...
Allen was playing with a shoulder injury or something for most of the season so I think that hindered his production quite a bit.
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PurpleKoolaid wrote:I do find it odd some people aernt too upset with the idea PH may be gone, but JA, who is old, and god knows the Vikes cant have old players, is out of the question. His sack production was almost in half of last year.
Yes, but he was coming off a year in which he almost set a new NFL record! It's not realistic to expect him to approach or surpass 20 sacks a year. In a healthy season, it's seems reasonable to think he could have added a couple more sacks over 16 games, which would have put him half a sack short of his previous (ie: before 2011)highs with the Vikes. As it is, he's had 4 other seasons with lower sack totals than he had this year and again, he finished 8th in the league in sacks, just 1/2 sack shy of the two players immediately ahead of him. That's hardly indicative of a "bad season".
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PurpleKoolaid wrote: Im not saying get rid of him....unless they cant restructure his contract.

I do find it odd some people aernt too upset with the idea PH may be gone, but JA, who is old, and god knows the Vikes cant have old players, is out of the question. His sack production was almost in half of last year. PH is just hitting his stride...just sayin...
Allen isn't a locker room cancer rotting this team from the inside out. He doesn't get banged up and miss snaps weekly. He isn't asking for a huge contract to continue playing here. And it's the last year of his deal.
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mrc44 wrote:DEMI is right, Harvin has become an issue off the field. I love the guy, and I was so happy to hear how is attitude changed after the ordeal this last off season, but he has some major maturity issues. The guy is a cancer, IMO how dare you not support your team during a run for the playoffs. that' s cray cray :nono:
Name the issues, the fines, etc. How is he a cancer? Because he yelled at a coach?
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Demi wrote: Allen isn't a locker room cancer rotting this team from the inside out. He doesn't get banged up and miss snaps weekly. He isn't asking for a huge contract to continue playing here. And it's the last year of his deal.
How is he rotting the team? Because he doesnt show up to the games? Because he showed some fire and got mad he wasnt getting the ball? Would you rather have a player who shows nothing says nothing? I know a lot of people give Frazier crap about showing no emotion.
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Demi wrote: Allen isn't a locker room cancer rotting this team from the inside out. He doesn't get banged up and miss snaps weekly. He isn't asking for a huge contract to continue playing here. And it's the last year of his deal.
How is being banged up and missing snaps because of it anywhere near a cancer?
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mrc44 wrote:throwing a fit because the ball isn't given to him every down, not being in minnesota to support his teammates through a win streak from the moment he went on I/R, demanding a trade out of nowhere in the middle of offseason instead of handling it like an adult and speaking behind close doors with the admin and coach.

The dude chooses to handle situations like a child. His touches doubled this year and he is an amazing athlete. Harvin is one of my favorite athletes but he needs to learn how to be a pro. Do you see Adrian Peterson or any of the other guys on the team handling their issues like that? no, you dont because they are professionals. You want to get paid like a pro then act like one. Yelling at your coach and getting in his face on the sideline on national tv is childish, he should have been sent to the locker room by singletary with those beady shark eyes.

If he wasnt a cancer then why did the team all the sudden do better as soon as his #### left for florida?
Do you seriously think they finished on a 4 game winning streak simply because Harvin was in Florida?

You're right, Harvin can be immature and emotional and he's demonstrated those qualities several times. That doesn't make him a locker room cancer. That's just over-the-top hyperbole. There's a big difference between a guy who has some issues and a guy whose attitude and issues are so divisive and destructive that they're damaging to the team as a whole.
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mrc44 wrote:If he wasnt a cancer then why did the team all the sudden do better as soon as his #### left for florida?

BWAAHAHAHAHA!!! :rofl: :rofl:

Good one... I needed a laugh this morning!! Thanks!!
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