Dark wrote:
No, we get that from the fact that any ball he throws past 20 yards is terribly off mark and sometimes intercepted. There was a stat stating that he was 1-17 in throws past 20 yards at some point in the season (I forget when it came out).
I will not dispute that some of his long throws were bad, they were. However, how can you discount that two of his throws were picture perfect at the end of the season. (The one Aromashadu dropped, and the beauty to Wright against the Packers in week 17).
Obviously he needs to be more consistent, but if he had a noodle arm he’d never be able to put that ball on the money like that, twice, especially given how few shots the Vikes take like that. I get that lots of folks are “what has he done lately” types and that is fine, but his money throws were in December!
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mansquatch wrote:
I will not dispute that some of his long throws were bad, they were. However, how can you discount that two of his throws were picture perfect at the end of the season. (The one Aromashadu dropped, and the beauty to Wright against the Packers in week 17).
Obviously he needs to be more consistent, but if he had a noodle arm he’d never be able to put that ball on the money like that, twice, especially given how few shots the Vikes take like that. I get that lots of folks are “what has he done lately” types and that is fine, but his money throws were in December!
Simple. I will let you find the clips, but 2 seasons ago, Webb had 2 perfect 20 yrd+ throws. Is he even an average QB because of that? Ponder was never known for zipping the ball before his injury in college, now he has injured it again. Odds are it wont be any stronger because of it. Hes no AD....or Favre....or Orton...or
Way to conveiently ignore the fact that its not his elbow from college that got injured vs GB...hell this last injury isn't even a concern future wise.
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Arma wrote:I really don't like questioning Viking fan's intelligence, but I really wonder where everyone gets the noodle arm/can't throw past 20yards from. People are still basing this off bad scouting reports based on his senior season at FSU where he was never full strength?
You can call me dumb if you want, but I'm basing my conclusions on having watched the guy throw the ball all season (not on college scouting reports)
J. Kapp 11 wrote:Quarterback A
Completion Pct: 58.8
Yards: 3,033
TD percentage: 4.4
INT percentage: 3.2
Passer rating: 81.3
Quarterback B
Completion Pct: 62.1
Yards: 2,935
TD percentage: 3.7
INT percentage: 2.5
Passer rating: 81.2
Who is who?
Wow thats crazy and Cutler had Brandon Marshall to throw the ball to all the time. Thats in Ponder's first year starting, numbers dont lie lets hope next year he gets better and figures out those mechanics and they become second nature to him.
soflavike wrote:
You can call me dumb if you want, but I'm basing my conclusions on having watched the guy throw the ball all season (not on college scouting reports)
Are you down at the field when he throws? He seems to throw the ball pretty fine when hes healthy
Wow thats crazy and Cutler had Brandon Marshall to throw the ball to all the time. Thats in Ponder's first year starting, numbers dont lie lets hope next year he gets better and figures out those mechanics and they become second nature to him.
Cutler also has a caveman as his offensive coordinator and no offensive line.
Mercy Percy wrote:
Are you down at the field when he throws? He seems to throw the ball pretty fine when hes healthy
No. I watch him on TV like most folks. It's amazing how a few decent games at the end of a season make folks totally forget the suckfest that preceded them.
soflavike wrote:No. I watch him on TV like most folks. It's amazing how a few decent games at the end of a season make folks totally forget the suckfest that preceded them.
It's amazing how a few bad games in the middle of the season make people forget some very good performances earlier.
Ponder's arm strength is fine. It's not extraordinary but it's NFL-caliber and he can make the throws an NFL QB needs to make. However, when he doesn't set his feet and follow through on his throws, he doesn't always get enough on the ball when throwing downfield and I think some fans have misinterpreted this as inadequate arm strength. Ponder has shown he has the arm strength to make good throws at every level of the field. He's demonstrated that so I'm not sure why it's even debatable. If he can make a throw once then logically, he has the physical ability to make it again. Consequently, when he doesn't get enough on a throw it means there's another reason for it.
He seems to be trying too hard to pinpoint instead of slinging it.
Maybe because he doesn't have the arm strength to make the throw without over doing it which as often as not affects the accuracy more than a quarterback that has enough arm strength.
J. Kapp 11 wrote:Quarterback A
Completion Pct: 58.8
Yards: 3,033
TD percentage: 4.4
INT percentage: 3.2
Passer rating: 81.3
Quarterback B
Completion Pct: 62.1
Yards: 2,935
TD percentage: 3.7
INT percentage: 2.5
Passer rating: 81.2
Who is who?
Ha, that's a good one, but all that does is make me scratch Cutler off the long list of QB's I'd trade for Ponder, not that Cutler was high the list to begin with.
But here's a comparison for those who were tired of TJack but now think Ponder is the answer. Career stats.
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Demi wrote:
Maybe because he doesn't have the arm strength to make the throw without over doing it which as often as not affects the accuracy more than a quarterback that has enough arm strength.
Belief in Christian Ponder as the "future" of the Vikings is the single biggest problem with the franchise at present. This guy is fine -- as a backup. He is not starter material.
If Frazier and Spielman would just say that 50 times every morning, if necessary, until they realize it -- kind of like mantra meditation -- we could potentially take a stride to where we all want to get.
This cat, being a legit NFL QB, can take us to the playoffs. But if we want to win the Big One, we need a top tier NFL QB. He is SO far from being that.
Don't believe me? Watch the guys who are still playing a week from Sunday.
