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Some thoughts:
1) Maybe i'm being overly critical but I feel Ponder is a wimp. He finished the game last week after he dinged his elbow. So you couldnt go this game? There is NO tomorrow, have all offseason to recuperate. I guess I would have liked to be at Lambeau to see him throw early (as I heard he did) to see how bad it was. If the throws were effective but it was that he just had some pain, bite the bullet for the team or take a shot for pain klike Winfield did. Lord knows when the next time you will get a chance to be in the playoffs. Get some inspiration from some of the other veterans like Winfield.
2) Part of this is the organizations fault for going into the season without a legitimate backup quarterback.
3) Somehow this defense needs to learn to come up with some turnovers, The number they do get is pathetic.
4) Love Jerad Allen but I saw two or three plays in the first half where the ball was snapped and he seemed to still stay in his stance for almost a full second. Whats up with that? Somehow trying to bait the OT?
5) Nice going Jasper, give them the touchdown instead of the field goal (not that it mattered in the end). I hate how the rule has been changed, with the penalty being called before the offense even snaps the ball. That is s crock to me, I've seen in other games also. Whatever happened to an extra player trying to sprint off the field before the snap.
6) I dont know why they dont line up and then run AP from three or four receiver sets at times to free up the congestion at the line some. If the safties are going to cheat, work some more play action in there from those sets.
7) Obviously this team needs more legitimate recievers that can get some seperation. Dont understand what was up with Harvin. Did he really need to go in IR or was this a mistake move by management, its been over two months since the sprain, he couldnt have helped by now?
8) Its gonna be a long few years with ARod around, he is a complete Viking (and North division) killer.

On the positive side, it was a good run the final four weeks, they played well. lets look forward to a good draft, sprinkle in some free agents (use any available cap room), hope ponder improves so we dont have to start over again, and have a successful 2013 season. This helped a bit to get some things off my chest so thanks for that, what a disappointing day, knew it was going to be awful tough, if not impossible, when it was announced Ponder wouldnt play. Also a great draft getting Harrison Smith and Kalil. Couple of good anchors for years to come.
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not sure how that emoticon slipped in there.
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Christian Ponder did a Jake Cutler that will cost an un prepared Joe Webb his career....i know you have to be ready at all times as a "back up" but 2 hrs before a playoff game and you have not played all year?
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johnpf12345 wrote:not sure how that emoticon slipped in there.
8) is the "8" followed by a")". You were trying to type "8 )" (without the space between them) to refer to your 8th point...
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johnpf12345 wrote:Some thoughts:
1) Maybe i'm being overly critical but I feel Ponder is a wimp. He finished the game last week after he dinged his elbow. So you couldnt go this game? There is NO tomorrow, have all offseason to recuperate. I guess I would have liked to be at Lambeau to see him throw early (as I heard he did) to see how bad it was. If the throws were effective but it was that he just had some pain, bite the bullet for the team or take a shot for pain klike Winfield did. Lord knows when the next time you will get a chance to be in the playoffs. Get some inspiration from some of the other veterans like Winfield.
I don't think it was a question of just playing through pain or they probably would have let him play tonight. An injury like that probably affects his throws.
2) Part of this is the organizations fault for going into the season without a legitimate backup quarterback.
Agreed.
7) Obviously this team needs more legitimate recievers that can get some seperation. Dont understand what was up with Harvin. Did he really need to go in IR or was this a mistake move by management, its been over two months since the sprain, he couldnt have helped by now?
Apparently not. He had a grade 3 sprain which is a complete tear of the ligament. That can take months to recover from and yield a sufficiently stable ankle.
8) Its gonna be a long few years with ARod around, he is a complete Viking (and North division) killer.
Yeah, I'm really starting to hate him.
On the positive side, it was a good run the final four weeks, they played well. lets look forward to a good draft, sprinkle in some free agents (use any available cap room), hope ponder improves so we dont have to start over again, and have a successful 2013 season. This helped a bit to get some things off my chest so thanks for that, what a disappointing day, knew it was going to be awful tough, if not impossible, when it was announced Ponder wouldnt play. Also a great draft getting Harrison Smith and Kalil. Couple of good anchors for years to come.
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Webb played a terrible game, but he didn't have a single pass attempt all season and now you're asking him to start against the Green Bay Packers in a playoff game in Lambeau field and in conditions that would hurt even veteran quarterbacks like Rodgers. Webb deserves some slack, but yeah he is bad.
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The coaches probably thought it would be fine to have a read option offense when they had AD. Sadly they forgot it only works when your QB is competent enough to keep the chains moving through the air.

I don' blame Joe Webb as much as I blame the coaching staff, or Ponder, for not going with the option that had got them that far.
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Orion wrote:Webb played a terrible game, but he didn't have a single pass attempt all season and now you're asking him to start against the Green Bay Packers in a playoff game in Lambeau field and in conditions that would hurt even veteran quarterbacks like Rodgers. Webb deserves some slack, but yeah he is bad.
Maybe if he put the ball within 5 yards of his targets, you could give him some slack. Whether or not he throws a pass all year, you have to expect more than what he gave us from an nfl qb. If he's on the team as a qb next year, our coaches need thier heads checked
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saint33 wrote: Maybe if he put the ball within 5 yards of his targets, you could give him some slack. Whether or not he throws a pass all year, you have to expect more than what he gave us from an nfl qb. If he's on the team as a qb next year, our coaches need thier heads checked

If he's on the team next year, the GM needs his head checked. Now that Spielman holds that position, the responsibility starts with him. When camp opens next summer, the coaching staff needs more (and better) options at QB.
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Ponder is the biggest wuss I've ever seen. You couldn't keep a guy like Favre out of a game like this with a team of clydesdales if he had something as simple as a bruised elbow. Sack up Ponder. Miss your first playoff game cuz your widdle elbow has a boo boo? Give me a break. I can't believe I'm complaining because Ponder didn't play. Man our standard for QB's around here has become painfully low.

I think we've seen the last of Joe Webb. Man that was beyond pathetic, embarrassing, and disappointing.
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johnpf12345 wrote:Some thoughts:
1) Maybe i'm being overly critical but I feel Ponder is a wimp. He finished the game last week after he dinged his elbow. So you couldnt go this game? There is NO tomorrow, have all offseason to recuperate. I guess I would have liked to be at Lambeau to see him throw early (as I heard he did) to see how bad it was. If the throws were effective but it was that he just had some pain, bite the bullet for the team or take a shot for pain klike Winfield did. Lord knows when the next time you will get a chance to be in the playoffs. Get some inspiration from some of the other veterans like Winfield.

Trust me, if Ponder could have played, he would have played.
johnpf12345 wrote: 2) Part of this is the organizations fault for going into the season without a legitimate backup quarterback.
Really? How many teams can you name have solid back up quarterbacks that can go into games and win, especially against teams like the Packers? There aren't even enough solid franchise quarterbacks to go around, let alone finding a good backup QB Lmao. That is not the organization's fault.
johnpf12345 wrote: 7) Obviously this team needs more legitimate recievers that can get some seperation. Dont understand what was up with Harvin. Did he really need to go in IR or was this a mistake move by management, its been over two months since the sprain, he couldnt have helped by now?
Actually our WRs did a pretty good job getting open this game. Webb just couldn't hit them. But yes, we really need a deep threat and a good WR that can make big catches.
johnpf12345 wrote: 8) Its gonna be a long few years with ARod around, he is a complete Viking (and North division) killer.
Sure, Rodgers is great, but GB does not impress me. They put up only 24 points this game, winning by 2 scores, with a backup QB playing and the defense playing far longer than usual.

I think next year the Vikings have a decent-good shot at winning the division next season, with a good draft and fixing problems in the offense and defense.
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Reignman wrote:Ponder is the biggest wuss I've ever seen. You couldn't keep a guy like Favre out of a game like this with a team of clydesdales if he had something as simple as a bruised elbow. Sack up Ponder. Miss your first playoff game cuz your widdle elbow has a boo boo? Give me a break. I can't believe I'm complaining because Ponder didn't play. Man our standard for QB's around here has become painfully low.
I'll let Kevin Siefert address this nonsense:
On Twitter and on our Countdown Live chat, many of you wondered how Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder could miss a playoff game with an injury that didn't force him to miss a snap in last week's victory over the Packers. At this point, we don't have enough information about his sore elbow to conduct an educated analysis. I will say this, however. For a quarterback, I'm not sure there really is such a thing as "toughing out" an elbow injury. If the injury prevents or even limits your throwing, you can't play. It's not a matter of pain tolerance. It's a matter of function.
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saint33 wrote: Maybe if he put the ball within 5 yards of his targets, you could give him some slack. Whether or not he throws a pass all year, you have to expect more than what he gave us from an nfl qb. If he's on the team as a qb next year, our coaches need thier heads checked
Makes me wonder what the QB coach has been doing with him the past few years. Cause Webb is a train wreck. One of the most unpolished QBs ive ever seen in a playoff game. Thanks Spielman for being prepared.
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Wasn't it more his tricep than the elbow? I'm no medical doctor or anything but I'm pretty sure you need functional arm muscles to throw a football.
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^ This. The elbow is one of the most important aspects of the QBs game. Can't throw properly because of an elbow injury and you can't play. It's like in baseball, you simply can't pitch if you have elbow problems.
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