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You are abslolutely right.DarthBrooks wrote:That grave should have been dug weeks ago. Now instead of ten feet deep, they seem to be going for fourteen. I suppose it's got to be deep enough to fit a GM, Coach and OC, because right now that's who is responsible for this debacle.
Sage would have to do something pretty amazing to get on the field considering he's no longer on the roster.80 PurplePride 84 wrote:The backup QB is always the most popular guy in town.
Not trying to defend Ponder or anything but this board would have you believe Sage Rosenfels and Joe Webb are the next comings of Tarkenton and Culpepper.
They're be marginal upgrades if at all.
I assume that's part of it. Another part is that you spent a first round pick on a QB, and you have to make the full evaluation there. Many, many times, the second best QB on the team is the starter because he's the guy who they spent the money on, or they drafted high (kudos to Seattle for giving the job to Wilson over the high priced FA Flynn).80 PurplePride 84 wrote:If your starter gets hurt Webb can come in and finish the game and or play a couple games for you as a fill in. But he is in no way a long term starter over 16 games and the front office knows that. That's how I take it.
Yes. But he didn't say a starting QB.soflavike wrote:Didn't Frazier make a big deal before the season about Webb being a QB only and not a KR or WR?
All he said is he wanted to put Webb in one position and keep him there. They had been moving him back and forth between QB and WR. Now he's just taking reps at QB.dead_poet wrote: Yes. But he didn't say a starting QB.
So, stop with the noise that he isn't a "real QB" and play the man, then... the current starter isn't getting it done.Cliff wrote: All he said is he wanted to put Webb in one position and keep him there. They had been moving him back and forth between QB and WR. Now he's just taking reps at QB.
soflavike wrote: So, stop with the noise that he isn't a "real QB" and play the man, then... the current starter isn't getting it done.
If Ponder has a bad first half on Sunday and it's still a close game, I think that's exactly what will happen: they'll throw Webb into the fire and see what happens.Craig Johnson, the Vikings quarterbacks coach, acknowledges Webb is in a difficult situation because he isn't getting a chance to play.
"It's hard really for Joe because this year he hasn't been on the field," Johnson said. "So you just never know. The positive thing I would say about Joe is he has not spent this much time at quarterback in his life. He's always had the athletic ability, he's always done a couple of other things.
"There are so many little details associated with being a quarterback that he's got to work (on) here. I've seen tremendous progress. Obviously, I won't know and I can't carry that over because the practice field is not the game field. When that time comes and Joe Webb gets out there, I've seen enough that I think he's going to be fine. But the only way to find out is throw him out there in the fire and test him out."
I haven't heard anything to suggest they would actually do that. They seem dead-set on playing Ponder all the way. I hope you're right, though.Mothman wrote:http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Note ... ient120612
If Ponder has a bad first half on Sunday and it's still a close game, I think that's exactly what will happen: they'll throw Webb into the fire and see what happens.
Frazier's comments on Monday were the basis for my remarks above:soflavike wrote:I haven't heard anything to suggest they would actually do that. They seem dead-set on playing Ponder all the way. I hope you're right, though.
After a season of making it clear the Vikings would not replace Ponder with backup Joe Webb, coach Leslie Frazier seemed to leave the door open ever so slightly for a change to be made a day after the Vikings' 23-14 loss at Green Bay.
"If things get to a point where your number one (quarterback) is really costing you some situations that could preclude winning you do have to do what's best for the football team," Frazier said Monday. "That's always the case, it's always about what's best for the team.
"Up to this point, I felt it's been best for our team that Christian remains our number one quarterback. I still feel that way. But every position you need those guys to continue to progress and continue to improve. He knows that as well as every position on our team."
Frazier did admit that because he has made other position changes and stresses accountability among his players that if Ponder continues to struggle there is concern about the inevitable perception in the locker room that Ponder gets to keep his job no matter how poorly he might play.
"I've thought about that a lot because when you're struggling at a position, the guys know how we talked about everybody doing their jobs and why it's important for us to have our success," Frazier said. "You don't want to send mixed messages at any position. It's important that all the positions do their jobs and function well. The quarterback position is always under that bright light.
"We believe that Christian is going to continue to develop and grow and be the quarterback that we all expect him to be. That being said, there's a lot riding on this next ballgame for our football team and I'm sure there are a lot of guys looking and wondering if we can get it done under the current situation. I believe we can. I believe we'll play better, not only at the quarterback position but at other positions as well. We'll need to as a team."
As for potentially playing Webb, Frazier said he has faith in the backup.
"We think Joe can do it. We think he's a quality quarterback," Frazier said. "He's our backup now. If he had to step in and play, we have confidence that he would do a good job. But we do have confidence that Christian is going to play better. He knows he has to in order for us to win. But with Joe, we think he's very capable. That's why we kept him on the roster, kept him in the spot that he's in. We know if necessary he'd be able to help us."
Well, if Frazier didn't see the need to pull Ponder in the Green Bay game, then our problems are even deeper because our head coach is living in fantasyland. I can't imagine a more blatant scenario for pulling a starting QB than Ponder's performance in that game. I'm wondering how badly Ponder needs to play to get pulled.Mothman wrote: Frazier's comments on Monday were the basis for my remarks above:
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Lesl ... nder120312
I hope an INT to cap off the first drive would do it.soflavike wrote: Well, if Frazier didn't see the need to pull Ponder in the Green Bay game, then our problems are even deeper because our head coach is living in fantasyland. I can't imagine a more blatant scenario for pulling a starting QB than Ponder's performance in that game. I'm wondering how badly Ponder needs to play to get pulled.
