Demi wrote:Apparently they want him to pay for it, go out there, and single handedly build it himself. "What's he done"? "How is it any further along than before he became governor?". Are you serious with this crap? It wasn't along AT ALL before he became governor, and now it's down to 3 sites and they're trying to figure out the best one and how to pay for it. Who did that? Dayton. Who's pushing these sites and telling the Vikings and the legislature what it's going to take? Dayton. He's doing literally everything he has the power to do to get this moving. Where's the Vikings plan? Where's the legislature on this? Have the Vikings stated exactly what they're willing to pay? No, because depending where it's at their contribution changes. The states does.
You might want to understand the Governors job, and his powers, before you act like the guy can just sign a piece of a paper getting this done overnight...
I understand the Govs job. So, "he" has it down to 3 sites??? I dont think so. Timing has it down to 3 sites. The state and Governor know they have to do "something", even if its just talking about it, as its the timing is nearing critical. The Vikings certainly arent without their fair of the blame in this mess, but to give Dayton any credit, unless lip service deserves credit, is a joke, IMO. If it wasnt for the lease running out, they wouldnt even be talking about it. Everyone involved has done a terrible job, Dayton included. Timing has more to do with things being done than Dayton being good at doing what is in his power to do. Everyone seems a bit incompetent in this fiasco.
I understand the Govs job. So, "he" has it down to 3 sites??? I dont think so. Timing has it down to 3 sites. The state and Governor know they have to do "something", even if its just talking about it, as its the timing is nearing critical. The Vikings certainly arent without their fair of the blame in this mess, but to give Dayton any credit, unless lip service deserves credit, is a joke, IMO. If it wasnt for the lease running out, they wouldnt even be talking about it. Everyone involved has done a terrible job, Dayton included. Timing has more to do with things being done than Dayton being good at doing what is in his power to do. Everyone seems a bit incompetent in this fiasco.
He started pushing to get something done as soon as he was elected. He's barely been in office a year. And yes, "he" has it down to 3. Because "he" went over the dozen or so proposals that were submitted and weeded out the ones that wouldn't work. Talking about it? Again what exactly do you expect? Pawlenty had 8 years and wouldn't even "give lip service" wouldn't even TALK about it. Dayton makes it an emphasis to get it down. Including suggesting a special session if a plan is available that the legislature might approve, which the republican controlled legislature refused to consider no matter what. Working between all three parties to figure out what each is looking for, and then helping narrow it down to workable possibilities. And that's ignoring anything and everything he's doing that's not being reported.
You're being pretty close minded and ignorant if you really believe he's not doing anything. And wasn't a year ago when he was elected. It's the republican legislature that's refused to do anything other than sit on their hands until the lease had already expired.
Anything is better than that crap Pawlently was pulling...
"The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it." ~Thucydides
thatguy wrote:Anything is better than that crap Pawlently was pulling...
What crap? That man did nothing, well nothing but leave a deficiet before he left. I dont know if we can talk politics and the Vikes, but the last 2 goveners havent done squat. Nor have the Vikings imo. Im sick of it.
PurpleKoolaid wrote:
What crap? That man did nothing,
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
the last 2 goveners havent done squat. Nor have the Vikings imo. Im sick of it.
You're entitled to your own opinion but I suggest getting your facts straight before accusing the Vikings of inaction. There is considerable evidence to the contrary.
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly
dead_poet wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
You're entitled to your own opinion but I suggest getting your facts straight before accusing the Vikings of inaction. There is considerable evidence to the contrary.
I know what he meant. My meaning was he didnt even get crap done.
And my facts are straight. How much time have the Vikings known they need a new Stadium? Where is it? Good teams/organisions get things done, usually before hand.
Neither the Governor or the Vikings can do anything because the REPUBLICAN legislature is refusing to budge at all. The Vikings, Governor, and Ramsey County had something going when the legislature decided to refuse the local government from raising taxes without the voter referendum. Which completely destroyed any chance at that happening...
I'm starting to think you hate republicans, relax. They can only do whats in the best interest of the people. Their job is to get us out of debt not build a stadium sad but true and if they really don't think a stadium will help us then so be it. SPENDING got us in the debt in the first place right ?
They can only do whats in the best interest of the people.
The people elected in Ramsey County by those people voted to allow it. It's the legislature elected not by the people in Ramsey County, but the state as a whole, that wouldn't allow a tax to be raised in Ramsey County, even though the representatives of the people of Ramsey County wanted it...
Their job is to get us out of debt not build a stadium sad but true and if they really don't think a stadium will help us then so be it. SPENDING got us in the debt in the first place right ?
Among other things. And not only will the stadium employ hundreds of people over three years, it'll keep dozens of jobs here. And put money in the states pocket for the next 20+ years. Their job is to do what's in the best interest of the state, not pander to the lowest common denominator even if it hurts the state, and makes the debt worse in the long run...
Mercy Percy wrote:I'm starting to think you hate republicans, relax. They can only do whats in the best interest of the people. Their job is to get us out of debt not build a stadium sad but true and if they really don't think a stadium will help us then so be it. SPENDING got us in the debt in the first place right ?
Careful about politics. There is an old but TRUE saying that applies here - "you have to spend money to make money."
"The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it." ~Thucydides
Okay that's a silly statement to make. All that has been stated is a fact. A legislative body that is controlled by one party, in this case, the republicans, has opposed a stadium bill that the other two parties involved agreed on. Is that to say that only republicans oppose it? No, but that's not what Demi said.
Everything that Demi stated was a fact. Totally unarguable. I would say the people complaining about Dayton "not doing anything" Are making it more political than him.
I don't really have a side politically, I just hate when discussions are shot down by people suddenly going "WOAH lets not get political here"
PurpleKoolaid wrote:And my facts are straight. How much time have the Vikings known they need a new Stadium? Where is it? Good teams/organisions get things done, usually before hand.
No, your facts are not straight. The Vikings have been pushing for a new stadium for YEARS. It can't get done without legislative assistance. Politicians are the only reason why this issue hasn't been resolved, not by failure of the Vikings.
Good politicians who see the benefit of an NFL team get things done by cooperating and coming up with a solution that benefits the state and team, not ignoring or blocking even the conversation. I'll find a timeline for you.
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly
PurpleKoolaid wrote:
Do you really think th govn of a state has no pull in a sutuation like this?
It's a bicameral legislature plus an Executive. All three legs of the stool have to agree before funding happens. The funding mechanism for the stadium involves three partners (team, local, state). The state legislature is not even letting the "local" part of the equation happen. They are killing the "local" partner's ability to fund it. The "local" partner has brought forward a funding mechanism that was used on a past stadium (county wide sales tax) without a referendum of voters. The state legislature refused outright. The "local" partner has brought up a funding mechanism that has been used across the state and across the country for funding various local initiatives (county wide hotel and booze tax) without a referendum of voters. The state legislature refused outright.
The state legislature has never stated a plan to fund the "state" portion of the funding. From my perspective, Dayton has vetted lots of choices here (racino, Block E casino, pull tabs, etc) with the state legislature backing none of them. It sure does not appear to be a failure of the Executive to me. The legislative leaders are publicly stating that the stadium is not a priority to Minnesota voters so 2013 sounds good to them. This problem is not on the governor, not at all.
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