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Demi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:42 pm Definitely needed a safety.
How about taking the top ranked safety?
Nope, let's get fancy. As usual.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:27 pm

Demi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:42 pm Definitely needed a safety.
How about taking the top ranked safety?
Nope, let's get fancy. As usual.

That top ranked safety had to be timed by Sundial. Maybe that's why we didn't take him.

Demi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:00 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:27 pm
That top ranked safety had to be timed by Sundial. Maybe that's why we didn't take him.

We didn't take him because we needed to trade down to try and fill out a horribly depleted defensive depth chart.
There's a reason the "sundial safety" was drafted the very next pick. And another safety before we ended up with Cine. Who wasn't even a top 5 safety on some rankings. Maybe he fits the defense? Great.
But a first year GM and front office? Making that trade. And then trying to defend not taking the top ranked safety because he couldn't run 40 yards in a straight line fast enough?

Demi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:42 pm Definitely needed a safety.
How about taking the top ranked safety?
Nope, let's get fancy. As usual.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:41 am I really wanted Hamilton. Nothing really jumps out about Cine. Every report points out the same thing and that he's not very good in coverage. He doesn't have good ball skills either. Only 2 interceptions in college. Straight line speed can't be compared to playing speed. IMO playing safety is all about ball skills. I think when picking at 12 you should come away with an impact player. The overall projection of him was 2nd round which should translate into a good player. You need to do better than good with pick 12. Bottom line he was a reach but obviously our new DC and other player evaluators felt he was a much better player than the other safeties. I see the high for him as a Brian O'neil type player. Never considered one of the best but will give you solid play game in and game out.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:44 am

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:41 am I really wanted Hamilton. Nothing really jumps out about Cine. Every report points out the same thing and that he's not very good in coverage. He doesn't have good ball skills either. Only 2 interceptions in college. Straight line speed can't be compared to playing speed. IMO playing safety is all about ball skills. I think when picking at 12 you should come away with an impact player. The overall projection of him was 2nd round which should translate into a good player. You need to do better than good with pick 12. Bottom line he was a reach but obviously our new DC and other player evaluators felt he was a much better player than the other safeties. I see the high for him as a Brian O'neil type player. Never considered one of the best but will give you solid play game in and game out.

Hamilton could turn out to be Treadwell. Simply not enough speed for the NFL game. It was enough to make me want somebody else at 12 which was Jordan Davis. We didn't pick Cine at 12 we traded back and eventually came away with 4 second round picks more or less and a 4th instead of one first and one second and one 3rd. I'm confident that Cine and Booth will be quite good players. Less so with Ingram and Asimoah.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:17 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:44 am
Hamilton could turn out to be Treadwell. Simply not enough speed for the NFL game. It was enough to make me want somebody else at 12 which was Jordan Davis. We didn't pick Cine at 12 we traded back and eventually came away with 4 second round picks more or less and a 4th instead of one first and one second and one 3rd. I'm confident that Cine and Booth will be quite good players. Less so with Ingram and Asimoah.

Treadwell problems went far beyond speed. He has a hard time catching passes and that's what did him in.
Sep 16, 2018 — The 2016 first-round pick dropped three passes in Sunday's 29-29 tie against the Packers, including one that tipped off of his hands for a late interception.
Aug 24, 2020 — Treadwell has struggled with drops thus far in training camp, Will McFadden of the Falcons' official site reports.
WR Speed.. Larry Fitzgerald - 4.63, Jerry Rice - 4.71, Cris Carter - 4.63, Laquon Treadwell - 4.63. The 1st 3 could catch a football very well. Troy Williamson: 4.32 seconds another guy who couldn't catch a football.
I understand speed. Size and speed are always important. I always like the bigger player. We have a cup cake at center who can't block. Lack of size kills him. There are many skills that can't be measured. Some players get a better break on the ball. Nobody can tell why that is. There's no measurement involved. I call it skill level. Hamilton was asked to cover guys one on one at times. Who would ask a slow person to do that? The Ravens had no problem making the pick. If he slide to 27 I could understand.
Cine is not a very good ball athlete no more than that. He's a box safety with great speed who is a high tackler. That's not good either. He will surrender yards while making the tackle. That don't work. In the box you need to stick a player. Once hit it's over. Time will tell and I certainly hope it works in our favor. Right now I don't see that outcome.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:27 pm

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:17 pm
Treadwell problems went far beyond speed. He has a hard time catching passes and that's what did him in.
Sep 16, 2018 — The 2016 first-round pick dropped three passes in Sunday's 29-29 tie against the Packers, including one that tipped off of his hands for a late interception.
Aug 24, 2020 — Treadwell has struggled with drops thus far in training camp, Will McFadden of the Falcons' official site reports.
WR Speed.. Larry Fitzgerald - 4.63, Jerry Rice - 4.71, Cris Carter - 4.63, Laquon Treadwell - 4.63. The 1st 3 could catch a football very well. Troy Williamson: 4.32 seconds another guy who couldn't catch a football.
I understand speed. Size and speed are always important. I always like the bigger player. We have a cup cake at center who can't block. Lack of size kills him. There are many skills that can't be measured. Some players get a better break on the ball. Nobody can tell why that is. There's no measurement involved. I call it skill level. Hamilton was asked to cover guys one on one at times. Who would ask a slow person to do that? The Ravens had no problem making the pick. If he slide to 27 I could understand.
Cine is not a very good ball athlete no more than that. He's a box safety with great speed who is a high tackler. That's not good either. He will surrender yards while making the tackle. That don't work. In the box you need to stick a player. Once hit it's over. Time will tell and I certainly hope it works in our favor. Right now I don't see that outcome.

We shall see. As for Jerry Rice's speed that number was BS. Jerry was fast. Carter and Fitz both have great skill.
I won't be surprised at all if Cine ends up being the best safety from this years draft.

CharVike wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:33 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:27 pm
We shall see. As for Jerry Rice's speed that number was BS. Jerry was fast. Carter and Fitz both have great skill.
I won't be surprised at all if Cine ends up being the best safety from this years draft.

Jerry Rice had game speed. I don't recall many chasing him down. Much different than lining up in some track position. The Combine is a good deal and can certainly point flaws out. I think the biggest benefit is watching the players and how they react to strange things around them. Let's face it if a player has trained for years running the 40 they will be at a distinct advantage in that event. Same with lifting weights. A person who has done it for years will have an advantage. They know the tricks of the trade. I'm the opposite. It would surprise the hell out of me if Cine is the best. Hamilton is smooth as glass and moves with little effort to my eye. He has a great flow to him. Everything is in sync. This is the second year in a row that I have been jacked up that a player I liked beyond most fell to us and we said no thanks. That's the draft every year I guess. I'm just happy Willis wasn't picked. That's the first thing I looked for. I would have put my fist through a wall if that was the case.