Cris Carter's son to visit Vikings on Jan. 9

[Pondering Her Percy]

Agreed. If he was Duron Jackson this wouldn't be much of a story at all. He's had maturity issues all along. You need guys who buy in. Try hard every play. Block when asked to. Learn the play book. Not "super freak" athletes. We just benched one of those. We don't need another. He had one year of college ball. And we're suppose to believe all those issues from multiple schools are behind him, because he managed to stay clean for one year in the CFL? No thanks...

I have zero care in the world who's son he is. You would be the first one to call Spielman an idiot if Carter succeeds somewhere else. This is what training camp and offseason workouts are for. What you don't understand is that this would be a low risk-high reward type of signing. Is not like we're forking over millions of dollars for this kid. The big question is .....WHY NOT?? What do we have to lose by doing it?? A couple thousand dollars?? Darn. This is a place he wants to be and he wants to prove himself in this league. Sign the kid, let him show us what he has. Randy Moss didnt try hard every play but was a "super freak". That worked out well for us.

Demi, actually take the time to watch his tape rather than just sitting there saying "his last name is Carter, he's from the CFL and has maturity issues". What kind of logic is that?? I can guarantee there are no GMs out there that say that. They at least look into what he has to show and obviously, he showed plenty since so many teams were looking into him.

[Pondering Her Percy]

My point is, Rick and Co. are not good at picking good WR's. And they love to overpay for them (even going back to the BB days). Not all on Rick ofc. I hope they finally got a QB for the future, but the Vikes haven't been too good at that position for years (other then when Childress and Co. sold us out). I would be extremely interested to know what the other teams Carter had to say. Maybe he is good (a 6'5'' WR would be a great weapon).

Also I LOVE CC. I wasn't trying to discredit anything hes done for the Vikings. My point was, I think that's the main reason the Vikings showed interest in a former CFL player.

And my point is, our GM went out and signed a guy off a practice squad that ended up exceeding expectations. Thats a good move by our GM and it just proves why we should go out and take a chance on a guy like Carter. He will cost next to nothing, has great measurables, speed, hands, route running, etc. The only true knock on him right now is if he "grew up" or not. For a couple hundred thousand....I'll take him in a heartbeat.

[The Breeze]

hmmm ....I'm not about to lump Duron into any specific category other than 6-5 good speed and great hands.

As for his maturity issues, his father had them as well and was cut by the Iggles. Duron's issues seemed to be ones of entitlement. Not getting an NFL contract probably was the biggest disappointment he had ever experienced....and two years in Canada seems to have helped him greatly. I've not heard anything but positives from coaches and players up there about him as a worker and teammate.

As for Spielman's record drafting quality receivers? I think it's far to question that. But I also think it's really important not to under estimate Norv Turner's influence on who gets drafted...especially knowing about the fist hitting the table regarding Teddy.

I think Carter is an uber low risk sign. I like C Johnson and Jarius Wright.... and Jennings is solid.

If they DO pick at 11 I hope it's an LB or DB not a wideout. But I do trust Zimmer/Turner evaluating talent for their particular schemes and I imagine Spielman does too.

[DK Sweets]

I've posted this before, but the biggest upside to signing Duron is giving the WR group flexibility. He doesn't have to be Megatron or Cris Carter or Larry Fitzgerald or anybody else, he needs to be Duron Carter.

With him in the fold, we have a very tall possession receiver, a tall quick receiver (CJ), a veteran route runner (Jennings), a quick smooth athlete (Jarius) and a wildcard do-everything athlete (CP). There are a lot of different formations to run with that versatility, and competing for playing time will only make players grow. We have three receivers over 6'2 (Duron, CH, CP) and three receivers who are probably best in the slot (Jennings, Wright, CP). We can move people around and create matchups. That is more valuable than having one guy that defenses can focus on, IMO.

Also, to echo a point made in another thread: the Patriots and Seahawks have been the picture of consistency lately. Who has been their number one WRs? Lets focus on getting a solid group together and build other areas of the team up.

[Demi]

Also, to echo a point made in another thread: the Patriots and Seahawks have been the picture of consistency lately. Who has been their number one WRs? Lets focus on getting a solid group together and build other areas of the team up.

That's a point for not signing him. They got a solid group together. They didn't sign athletic freaks with histories of immaturity who had to jump all over the place to make it the NFL.
The Pats got Moss...and didn't get a ring. Giving him away shortly after. The Seahawks got Harvin, won a ring almost despite him, and gave him away shortly after. And we want to roll the dice on a guy because he's an athletic freak? No thanks. We need guys who put in the time in the weight room, in the meeting rooms, on their down time. Things all indications are Mr. Carter has had issues with in the past.

[The Breeze]

Regardless, no one at VMB will be making the decision.

[Pondering Her Percy]

That's a point for not signing him. They got a solid group together. They didn't sign athletic freaks with histories of immaturity who had to jump all over the place to make it the NFL.
The Pats got Moss...and didn't get a ring. Giving him away shortly after. The Seahawks got Harvin, won a ring almost despite him, and gave him away shortly after. And we want to roll the dice on a guy because he's an athletic freak? No thanks. We need guys who put in the time in the weight room, in the meeting rooms, on their down time. Things all indications are Mr. Carter has had issues with in the past.

The thing is, he was labeled with immaturity issues coming out of college. How do you know if those are still lingering issues or not. There are many players in this league that have had problems coming out of college and come out of them. He's had the time to grow up.

That doesn't give us "a reason not to sign him". As Dakota said, it's about having flexibility. You don't want to miss out on a guy that is this cheap and has this type of potential. There are people out there that have spoke highly of him since being in the CFL. Teams have been flocking to work him out. If we get the chance to sign him, then you sign him. If he doesn't work out, cut him. IT COSTS US NEXT TO NOTHING! By cutting him it doesn't hurt us at all.

[PurpleKoolaid]

This has got to be the first time in VMB, maybe in Vikings history, that people are so high on a guy, and claim it has NOTHING to do with his father, but based solely on ststs. Im not saying not to sign him, but saying his name has nothing to do with what brought him to anyone's attention is insane. But since our WR corps is so bad, im all for anyone that could help it. I just don't see a guy with an attitude, and is/was immature, and a bad work ethic, got that all fixed in the CFL. Like I said in a post above, it would be awesome to have another Carter as a WR on this team. But that isn't a reason to sign him. Im am so bad with contracts and how they work, I thought a signing bonus of 100k meant his contract had to a minimum of 2 years, 4 million. But im sure im wrong about that because I cant find any info on it.

[The Breeze]

That doesn't give us "a reason not to sign him". As Dakota said, it's about having flexibility. You don't want to miss out on a guy that is this cheap and has this type of potential. There are people out there that have spoke highly of him since being in the CFL. Teams have been flocking to work him out. If we get the chance to sign him, then you sign him. If he doesn't work out, cut him. IT COSTS US NEXT TO NOTHING! By cutting him it doesn't hurt us at all.

This is what matters to me. You have a chance to add a kid with great tools who knows the position without spending a draft pick nor the same commitment you have toward a draft pick.

[Pondering Her Percy]

This has got to be the first time in VMB, maybe in Vikings history, that people are so high on a guy, and claim it has NOTHING to do with his father, but based solely on ststs. Im not saying not to sign him, but saying his name has nothing to do with what brought him to anyone's attention is insane. But since our WR corps is so bad, im all for anyone that could help it. I just don't see a guy with an attitude, and is/was immature, and a bad work ethic, got that all fixed in the CFL. Like I said in a post above, it would be awesome to have another Carter as a WR on this team. But that isn't a reason to sign him. Im am so bad with contracts and how they work, I thought a signing bonus of 100k meant his contract had to a minimum of 2 years, 4 million. But im sure im wrong about that because I cant find any info on it.

And his dad is not a reason to sign him. The reason is his measurables and abilities. He's not some no name out of a D2 college or something. He went to a legitimate program

[Pondering Her Percy]

This is what matters to me. You have a chance to add a kid with great tools who knows the position without spending a draft pick nor the same commitment you have toward a draft pick.

Exactly what I'm saying!!! That's why I think it's ridiculous to just say "pass, he's immature". None of us know how far he's come since being at Ohio st. My guess is, he's a lot better than he was a few years ago

[jackal]

I think he is worth a decent contract ... not talking millions but it would be nice to have
some match problems for a change, in our wide out core...

[Raptorman]

That's a point for not signing him. They got a solid group together. They didn't sign athletic freaks with histories of immaturity who had to jump all over the place to make it the NFL.
The Pats got Moss...and didn't get a ring. Giving him away shortly after. The Seahawks got Harvin, won a ring almost despite him, and gave him away shortly after. And we want to roll the dice on a guy because he's an athletic freak? No thanks. We need guys who put in the time in the weight room, in the meeting rooms, on their down time. Things all indications are Mr. Carter has had issues with in the past.

The point being, he has HAD issues in the past. And supposedly has fixed those issues. Some people take longer to mature than others. He didn't finish college, apparently because he didn't like going to class. Going to the CFL was his way of learning how to be a professional player. Now, has he learned? Good question. It might take a $100,000 signing bonus to find out. But think of this. Ben Tate was with the team for 4 weeks and cost $300,000+ and didn't do a damn thing for the team. I'd give Duron a chance for that kind of money.

[PurpleKoolaid]

It would be cool to hear 'Teddy to Carter for a 40 yard TD!'

[Pondering Her Percy]

The point being, he has HAD issues in the past. And supposedly has fixed those issues. Some people take longer to mature than others. He didn't finish college, apparently because he didn't like going to class. Going to the CFL was his way of learning how to be a professional player. Now, has he learned? Good question. It might take a $100,000 signing bonus to find out. But think of this. Ben Tate was with the team for 4 weeks and cost $300,000+ and didn't do a damn thing for the team. I'd give Duron a chance for that kind of money.

Good point David