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S197 wrote:LSU did a good job of shutting down Evans, which in turn made Manziel look like Johnny Average. I really think Evans is the hidden star on that team (and possibly some guys on the line). The weather was probably a factor but Zach was still fitting balls into some really tight windows so it couldn't have been all that bad.

How cold was it? I heard them complaining about the weather at least 10 times, but I never heard them say how cold it was. Besides, if JFB can't handle the cold, better not draft him...people won't like him playing all ugly for a couple seasons...well, possibly a bit less than half of his first couple of seasons. But still, people won't tolerate it.

MelanieMFunk wrote: How cold was it? I heard them complaining about the weather at least 10 times, but I never heard them say how cold it was. Besides, if JFB can't handle the cold, better not draft him...people won't like him playing all ugly for a couple seasons...well, possibly a bit less than half of his first couple of seasons. But still, people won't tolerate it.

Upper 30s. Not like the Gophers' game, which was played in 0 degrees windchill! It was raining and was windy in "Death Valley" particularly during the first half, which is what made passing difficult. LSU smartly ran a lot in the first half. Mettenberger had several nice downfield throws, but most importantly he was not asked to make that many (11/20 for 193 yards) (Manziel threw 41 times!). LSU had a smart, balanced game plan, especially given the conditions.

Johnny FB is a native Texan. Better equipped to deal w/ extreme heat than extreme cold. Then again, how many of the top QB prospects come from cold climates? Other food for thought: Favre was strangely successful early in his career in cold weather games, despite being a southerner.

On an un-JFB note: Aaron Murray's season is over due to ACL tear: http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... acl-return

Terrible news for him. I know several posters here liked his game.

S197 wrote:LSU did a good job of shutting down Evans, which in turn made Manziel look like Johnny Average. I really think Evans is the hidden star on that team (and possibly some guys on the line). The weather was probably a factor but Zach was still fitting balls into some really tight windows so it couldn't have been all that bad.

Which is one reason I don't want a Manziel or a Mariotta. They seem like 1 read QB's to me, which is exactly what we don't need.

Technically, the loss puts us in the worst draft position of the 2 win teams due to having fewer losses. Or am I wrong on this one.

PotGoblin wrote:Technically, the loss puts us in the worst draft position of the 2 win teams due to having fewer losses. Or am I wrong on this one.

no your not. We have 2 and a half wins, the other 3 have 2 wins, thus we would pick lower than them if the season ended.

If we don't win a game for the rest of the season, we're guaranteed a top 3 pick as the Texans and Jaguars play each other again in a couple weeks

MrPurplenGold wrote:I don't want a Manziel or a Mariotta. They seem like 1 read QB's to me, which is exactly what we don't need.

Agreed. It seems like "dual-threat" QBs are a two-edged sword: they can make plays with their legs, but that might be a result of them being poor at going through their progressions. Screw that. I want a guy who is accurate, quick-witted, able to read a defense and make good decisions. Arm strength and running ability are really secondary.

Is Bridgewater that guy? If not, then I'm all for trading down. If you go with a QB at the top of the draft, it better be a guy that can step in and improve the team's chances of winning. If there are any doubts, you do something else.

HornedMessiah wrote: Agreed. It seems like "dual-threat" QBs are a two-edged sword: they can make plays with their legs, but that might be a result of them being poor at going through their progressions. Screw that. I want a guy who is accurate, quick-witted, able to read a defense and make good decisions. Arm strength and running ability are really secondary.

Is Bridgewater that guy? If not, then I'm all for trading down. If you go with a QB at the top of the draft, it better be a guy that can step in and improve the team's chances of winning. If there are any doubts, you do something else.

yes, Bridewater is that guy.

Texas Vike wrote:Upper 30s.

Yeah. That's not even close to cold. For this time of year? That's warm.

MelanieMFunk wrote:

Yeah. That's not even close to cold. For this time of year? That's warm.

Pretty sure the Gophers and Badgers would have been ecstatic w/ that kind of tropical heat! It's all relative to what you're accustomed to. I've experienced 80 below wind chills when I lived in MN and have played sports in 115 heat here in TX. The body can acclimate both ways, but it does take time.

HornedMessiah wrote: Agreed. It seems like "dual-threat" QBs are a two-edged sword: they can make plays with their legs, but that might be a result of them being poor at going through their progressions. Screw that. I want a guy who is accurate, quick-witted, able to read a defense and make good decisions. Arm strength and running ability are really secondary.

Is Bridgewater that guy? If not, then I'm all for trading down. If you go with a QB at the top of the draft, it better be a guy that can step in and improve the team's chances of winning. If there are any doubts, you do something else.

When are there NOT doubts about a QB prospect? Once a decade at best? Bridgewater doesn't face very good competition. That concerns me a bit.

80 below? When was THAT?!

I prefer the cold. I can't stand the heat. I'd take 0 degrees over 100 any day. If I lived in the South, pretty sure I'd be dead by now.

MelanieMFunk wrote:80 below? When was THAT?!

I prefer the cold. I can't stand the heat. I'd take 0 degrees over 100 any day. If I lived in the South, pretty sure I'd be dead by now.

Moorhead, MN. Wind crossing the plains of Dakota are wicked. I used to be like you; now I prefer the heat to the cold, but 70 and sunny is always nice

Back on topic, ATL slipped "ahead" of us in the race for the top draft pick. Jax/ Hou will play once more… I'm guessing we end up w/ pick #3 or 4. We may even win one more.

Well there are three 2-9 teams now (Atlanta, Houston, and Jacksonville) so we've slipped down to the 4th pick with our meaningless tie. We hold the tie breakers vs those 3 teams so if we had lost we'd be holding the #1 pick right now.

Reignman wrote:Well there are three 2-9 teams now (Atlanta, Houston, and Jacksonville) so we've slipped down to the 4th pick with our meaningless tie. We hold the tie breakers vs those 3 teams so if we had lost we'd be holding the #1 pick right now.

We're such losers that we can't even lose right.

atlanta will win again and houston probably will too. i honestly don't think we will, so i'd say we will pick 1 or 2.