Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pm
We can not complain much about the draft so far, Vikings have been filling needs
Thank you
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Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pm
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pm
Exactly. I have spoke out about Spielman's strategy multiple times. Think about it, the average team has 1 pick in each round tomorrow which is 4 picks. We have 13, who has a better chance of hitting on day 3 picks, the Vikings or the average team with 4 picks? The more picks, the better the chance to find guys like Odenigbo, Weatherly, Stephen, etc. AND given it is SO many picks, we can easily trade up for any player we want at any time. The 49ers had 5 picks in this draft. We had 17.The 49ers had two 1sts, a 5th, 6th and 7th. If our draft doesnt end up being much better than someone like the 49ers, it would be insane
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:28 pm
Yeah there is still a ton of talent out there. The best part about this is that we literally have the pick of the litter with the entire draft pool right now. We could easily trade up to #1 tomorrow and it wouldnt even effect us one bit. Dont be surprised if we trade some picks away for 2021 picks as well.PacificNorseWest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:19 pm I'm over the Trent idea. Stack up this Oline now with some of those 13 picks and go full on depth. Let them compete and see what we have. I don't think they keep all 13, but the more prospects at this point, the better. Some will hit. That's not counting the picks these last 2 nights. 3 of 4, if not all 4 probably start more than a few times next season. Great draft thus far, in my opinion.Another pass rusher is lacking though. Robinson from Syracuse might be in consideration.
There are so many guards out there right now. Still a few good CBs, plenty of safety depth, Fromm who I would definitely take at this point, a couple DTs, love Robinson from Cuse. So many options and a much better probability of hitting on picks than these other teams have.
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:46 pm
I saw that Saints do not have any picks for tomorrow since Saints gave the rest of their picks to us! Thank you Saints! 
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:47 pm
Or he doesn’t trust his ability to evaluate talent and needs double the number of “darts” as the average GM. Why not trade all your picks and grab 40 7th rounders by that logic? Systems that work are emulated. No one is really following Rick in this strategy. It has some merit, but he goes way overboard. All that will happen is we double the number of Moritz Bohringers and Bucky Hodges that get cut in a couple months.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pmExactly. I have spoke out about Spielman's strategy multiple times. Think about it, the average team has 1 pick in each round tomorrow which is 4 picks. We have 13, who has a better chance of hitting on day 3 picks, the Vikings or the average team with 4 picks? The more picks, the better the chance to find guys like Odenigbo, Weatherly, Stephen, etc. AND given it is SO many picks, we can easily trade up for any player we want at any time. The 49ers had 5 picks in this draft. We had 17.The 49ers had two 1sts, a 5th, 6th and 7th. If our draft doesnt end up being much better than someone like the 49ers, it would be insane
And what makes it even worse is this is quite literally the worst draft to accumulate picks in the history of the NFL. When are these evaluations and competitions taking place? In the rookie camps that aren’t happening? The cancelled OTAs? The shortened training camp if there is one? If we’re very optimistic, the number of practices this offseason will probably be 50% less than the average season. So he has double the amount of picks with half the time to evaluate. Brilliant.
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:47 pm
I can see that happening since Vikings did not trade up today
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:50 pm
Except this isn't Madden. You need to have people who can identify the diamonds from the dirt even after you draft these guys. Also, you have limited reps the more guys you add. Getting to teach 1 LT what they need to become that diamond is easier than 3 guys.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pmExactly. I have spoke out about Spielman's strategy multiple times. Think about it, the average team has 1 pick in each round tomorrow which is 4 picks. We have 13, who has a better chance of hitting on day 3 picks, the Vikings or the average team with 4 picks? The more picks, the better the chance to find guys like Odenigbo, Weatherly, Stephen, etc. AND given it is SO many picks, we can easily trade up for any player we want at any time. The 49ers had 5 picks in this draft. We had 17.The 49ers had two 1sts, a 5th, 6th and 7th. If our draft doesnt end up being much better than someone like the 49ers, it would be insane
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:51 pm
Virtual workouts and cuts via Zoom lolS197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:47 pmOr he doesn’t trust his ability to evaluate talent and needs double the number of “darts” as the average GM. Why not trade all your picks and grab 40 7th rounders by that logic? Systems that work are emulated. No one is really following Rick in this strategy. It has some merit, but he goes way overboard. All that will happen is we double the number of Moritz Bohringers and Bucky Hodges that get cut in a couple months.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pm
Exactly. I have spoke out about Spielman's strategy multiple times. Think about it, the average team has 1 pick in each round tomorrow which is 4 picks. We have 13, who has a better chance of hitting on day 3 picks, the Vikings or the average team with 4 picks? The more picks, the better the chance to find guys like Odenigbo, Weatherly, Stephen, etc. AND given it is SO many picks, we can easily trade up for any player we want at any time. The 49ers had 5 picks in this draft. We had 17.The 49ers had two 1sts, a 5th, 6th and 7th. If our draft doesnt end up being much better than someone like the 49ers, it would be insane
And what makes it even worse is this is quite literally the worst draft to accumulate picks in the history of the NFL. When are these evaluations and competitions taking place? In the rookie camps that aren’t happening? The cancelled OTAs? The shortened training camp if there is one? If we’re very optimistic, the number of practices this offseason will probably be 50% less than the average season. So he has double the amount of picks with half the time to evaluate. Brilliant.
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:05 am
YikesVikes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:51 pmVirtual workouts and cuts via Zoom lolS197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:47 pm
Or he doesn’t trust his ability to evaluate talent and needs double the number of “darts” as the average GM. Why not trade all your picks and grab 40 7th rounders by that logic? Systems that work are emulated. No one is really following Rick in this strategy. It has some merit, but he goes way overboard. All that will happen is we double the number of Moritz Bohringers and Bucky Hodges that get cut in a couple months.
And what makes it even worse is this is quite literally the worst draft to accumulate picks in the history of the NFL. When are these evaluations and competitions taking place? In the rookie camps that aren’t happening? The cancelled OTAs? The shortened training camp if there is one? If we’re very optimistic, the number of practices this offseason will probably be 50% less than the average season. So he has double the amount of picks with half the time to evaluate. Brilliant.
It’s sad but true. And we’re the only team with a GM that hasn’t figured this out.
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:05 am
That is a down side. There are a lot of good players still out there. If I had received that offer I think I would have accepted it. I would have taken Simpson with that pick. If I can still get him than I won the trade without question.Maelstrom88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:09 pmAnd camp might be shortened leaving less time to evaluate.VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:03 pm Its funny how many picks he collects, but 13 picks on Day 3???? Why? How many spots are available on this team?
I guess if they have a glut of equally ranked players it makes a certain amount of sense.....but there are a fixed amount of roster spots!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:31 am
I ran a sim of the rest of the draft. This is what I got without even trying. I did one trade to get the first pick of the day
MIN 107.
Curtis Weaver
DE Boise State
trade icon
MIN 130.
Tyler Biadasz
C Wisconsin
MIN 132.
Kenny Robinson
S XFL (West Virginia)
MIN 176.
K'Von Wallace
S Clemson
MIN 201.
Reggie Robinson
CB Tulsa
MIN 203.
Quez Watkins
WR Southern Miss
MIN 205.
Saahdiq Charles
OT LSU
MIN 219.
Geno Stone
S Iowa
MIN 244.
Carter Coughlin
OLB Minnesota
MIN 249.
JaMycal Hasty
RB Baylor
MIN 253.
Derrek Tuszka
DE North Dakota State
Would that be a good result? I think this is a reasonably accurate portrayal of what we could come out of the rest of the draft with by only making one trade.
MIN 107.
Curtis Weaver
DE Boise State
trade icon
MIN 130.
Tyler Biadasz
C Wisconsin
MIN 132.
Kenny Robinson
S XFL (West Virginia)
MIN 176.
K'Von Wallace
S Clemson
MIN 201.
Reggie Robinson
CB Tulsa
MIN 203.
Quez Watkins
WR Southern Miss
MIN 205.
Saahdiq Charles
OT LSU
MIN 219.
Geno Stone
S Iowa
MIN 244.
Carter Coughlin
OLB Minnesota
MIN 249.
JaMycal Hasty
RB Baylor
MIN 253.
Derrek Tuszka
DE North Dakota State
Would that be a good result? I think this is a reasonably accurate portrayal of what we could come out of the rest of the draft with by only making one trade.
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:35 am
So trueS197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:47 pmOr he doesn’t trust his ability to evaluate talent and needs double the number of “darts” as the average GM. Why not trade all your picks and grab 40 7th rounders by that logic? Systems that work are emulated. No one is really following Rick in this strategy. It has some merit, but he goes way overboard. All that will happen is we double the number of Moritz Bohringers and Bucky Hodges that get cut in a couple months.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:22 pm
Exactly. I have spoke out about Spielman's strategy multiple times. Think about it, the average team has 1 pick in each round tomorrow which is 4 picks. We have 13, who has a better chance of hitting on day 3 picks, the Vikings or the average team with 4 picks? The more picks, the better the chance to find guys like Odenigbo, Weatherly, Stephen, etc. AND given it is SO many picks, we can easily trade up for any player we want at any time. The 49ers had 5 picks in this draft. We had 17.The 49ers had two 1sts, a 5th, 6th and 7th. If our draft doesnt end up being much better than someone like the 49ers, it would be insane
And what makes it even worse is this is quite literally the worst draft to accumulate picks in the history of the NFL. When are these evaluations and competitions taking place? In the rookie camps that aren’t happening? The cancelled OTAs? The shortened training camp if there is one? If we’re very optimistic, the number of practices this offseason will probably be 50% less than the average season. So he has double the amount of picks with half the time to evaluate. Brilliant.
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:08 am
Thaddeus Moss
Jacob Eason
Ben Bartch
Amik Robertson
Charlie Heck
Tyler Johnson (remember him?)
James Proche
Even if we don't get Trent Williams, still value there tomorrow? Yes? Yes!
Jacob Eason
Ben Bartch
Amik Robertson
Charlie Heck
Tyler Johnson (remember him?)
James Proche
Even if we don't get Trent Williams, still value there tomorrow? Yes? Yes!
Re: Draft thread
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:36 am