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Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:22 pm
by chicagopurple
or even better, his replacement turns out to be a hidden gem and takes over the position...our OL needs to vastly improve.
2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:51 pm
by DK Sweets
First off, the link that you posted twice shows 13 players suspended for PEDs, not 30.
But for fun, let's just calculate the percentage of players using PEDs based on the 30 players which you claimed were suspended: 90 players in the offseason for 32 teams means there are 2,880 players in the league. 30 players out of the 2,880 makes 1% of the league.
Or, we could use the actual number of 13 and divide that by the number of players on a regular season roster at any given time (a very conservative estimate of 1,700, before injuries) and we'll see that it is
less than 1% of the league.
So you have effectively made a case that steroid use is not a complete myth. You may continue trying to prove "rampant" use now.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:55 pm
by VikingPaul73
Purple bruise wrote:
It has to be the PEDS
I'm not sure if you're joking, but this is what I think. Not sure if the Vikings training staff is promoting it, who knows?
Clearly this is not just a coincidence and PEDS are definitely a possibility.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:01 pm
by VikingPaul73
When will the Vikings hold Sugarman accountable !!!???
5 torn pecs in 11 months!!!??? Yeah, just a coincidence
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:08 pm
by DK Sweets
My post: less than 1% of NFL players have been caught using PEDs
Next post: The Vikings trainers might be handing out steroids. We should fire Sugarman.
I hate this place sometimes.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:57 am
by Mothman
DK Sweets wrote:My post: less than 1% of NFL players have been caught using PEDs
Next post: The Vikings trainers might be handing out steroids. We should fire Sugarman.
I hate this place sometimes.
LOL!
Regarding Sugarman: he's been with the Vikes for a long time but this issue is a recent development which makes me think the training regimen has changed under Zimmer and perhaps that's what they need to look at to solve the problem. It's also possible that really is just a coincidence.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:10 am
by Mothman
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_28 ... ral-injury
Bykowski is the latest Vikings player to have a pectoral injury. Guard Brandon Fusco and Loadholt suffered season-ending tears last year, Fusco in the third game and Loadholt in the 11th. Defensive end Brian Robison had a pectoral injury in May but has recovered, and cornerback Josh Robinson remains on the physically unable to perform list with a partial tear suffered in June.
Zimmer said the Vikings have been looking into the nature of the injury, and he offered an update Thursday.
"I found out a lot," Zimmer said. "It's a combination of things, really. It's dehydrated muscles, it's getting in the position, sometimes it's over-strengthening, sometimes it's fatigue. Still, we're calling around to every expert we can find and keep digging."
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:03 am
by Cliff
Perhaps this is a side effect of the players being used to using machines where they don't need to be as careful?
Whatever the case it's troubling.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:39 am
by VikingPaul73
DK Sweets wrote:My post: less than 1% of NFL players have been caught using PEDs
Next post: The Vikings trainers might be handing out steroids. We should fire Sugarman.
I hate this place sometimes.
Yeah, so do I.
Whenever someone points out a troubling trend/issue that is against the "mainstream" of posters here, they get attacked and ridiculed.
All I did was float the POSSIBILITY that PEDS are being peddled in the Vikings lockerroom. Is this really such an outrageous claim in the NFL??
And whether its PEDS or something else, clearly there is some cause for 5 torn pecs in 11 months, and the trainers should be held accountable. Nah, that's CRAZY talk. Let's just bury our heads in the sand and continue as is, and make condescending posts to anyone who raises questions.
Carry on.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:38 am
by fiestavike
VikingPaul73 wrote:
Yeah, so do I.
Whenever someone points out a troubling trend/issue that is against the "mainstream" of posters here, they get attacked and ridiculed.
All I did was float the POSSIBILITY that PEDS are being peddled in the Vikings lockerroom. Is this really such an outrageous claim in the NFL??
And whether its PEDS or something else, clearly there is some cause for 5 torn pecs in 11 months, and the trainers should be held accountable. Nah, that's CRAZY talk. Let's just bury our heads in the sand and continue as is, and make condescending posts to anyone who raises questions.
Carry on.
I think its fair to
suspect that PED use is "rampant" or at least significant (and significantly undetected) in the NFL. I would stop short of issuing any allegations. It is quite possible, however, that the NFL doesn't try very hard to catch players using PEDs.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:04 am
by Cliff
Getting a little heated in here. Take a step back for a minute ... it's all just a bunch of people expressing their opinion.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:21 am
by Mothman
VikingPaul73 wrote:And whether its PEDS or something else, clearly there is some cause for 5 torn pecs in 11 months, and the trainers should be held accountable.
How and on what basis? Is there any evidence the trainers are at fault?
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:59 am
by Jordysghost
Mothman wrote:
How and on what basis? Is there any evidence the trainers are at fault?
A couple years ago, it seemed like ever Packers player was dropping with hammy issues and everyone was adamant that the traing staff was to blame, I think think this is pretty similar.
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:50 pm
by Mothman
Jordysghost wrote:
A couple years ago, it seemed like ever Packers player was dropping with hammy issues and everyone was adamant that the training staff was to blame, I think think this is pretty similar.
Even if we assume it's similar, that doesn't answer my question. In what way should the training staff be held accountable and on what basis?
Re: 2015 Vikings Injury Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:00 pm
by VikingPaul73
Mothman wrote:
How and on what basis? Is there any evidence the trainers are at fault?
If a team goes 2-14, the coach is held accountable.
If a QB has a passer rating of 20, the QB is held accountable.
If a RB fumbles 10 times per game, the RB is held accountable.
There is a rash of bizarre injuries occurring at a shocking rate....shouldn't the trainer be held accountable?? Or shouldn't that at least be discussed/investigated internally? What is the metric for success of a trainer?