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VikingLord wrote: It's mostly stuff I'm reading on the rumors boards. Apparently, Jones is having second thoughts about that deal and/or has become infatuated with Manziel. Either way, if the rumor is true it's worth going fishing if Manziel is still there at #8.

Yeah, maybe a little Herschel Walker payback

No to Bridgewater at 8. Maybe if we go another route and he does drop to 2nd round. Personally, would rather have Bortles than either Bridgewater or JFB.

VikingLord wrote: It's mostly stuff I'm reading on the rumors boards. Apparently, Jones is having second thoughts about that deal and/or has become infatuated with Manziel. Either way, if the rumor is true it's worth going fishing if Manziel is still there at #8.

Of course Jerry loves Manziel. Jerry is all about the sizzle; and nobody is sizzling more than Football right now. Jerry has got to be salivating at the thought of all the lights and cameras that would come with getting Manziel. Many teams might shy away from a potential circus like that. It's what Jerry lives for.

For somebody that despises the Cowboys and especially their owner and his "wouldn't fit in their stadium" ego; the thought of them getting Manziel and all the extra attention that would go with that makes me want to slam my head in a car door!

King James wrote: Don't be obnoxious. Mayock usually has a good eye for evaluating draft prospects. He gets to see these guys game film and often in person so I think he probably knows more than us about Bridgewater than we fans do.

That being said. If we don't take Teddy. I have to agree with what another poster said. I really don't want Bortles or Carr. But if we take a QB in the 1st round who name is not Teddy Bridgewater, I rather have Johnny Manziel as well. Even though I don't like him either. I think he may be a better option than Bortles. I hope we can still get Teddy though. I doubt Bridgewater will really fall to the second round though, despite what Mayock thinks.

So in the end you seem to agree with my "obnoxious" comment. I fully agree that Mayock knows more than us fans despite what we think. He is not however an NFL coach, GM, or part of any team's personnel staff. I doubt any teams are drafting based on his evaluations. That is my point. Not ripping the poster.

Sorry Teddy's game tape speaks volumes to me. He is ridiculously good under pressure, he is smart, can read defenses, and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I too was really disappointed in his pro day, and had basically written him off. I decided to go back and watch his game tape. I think Teddy still is a first round pick.

The analyst are generally wrong about a lot. Last year every analyst had us taking Manti Teo. How is Manti Doing again? Remember Arron Maybin who was considered a can't miss pick? Vernon Gholston, Arron Curry, the list goes on and on. I trust the coaches more than the analysts.

Have to look at the Tangibles, besides the bad Pro Day what has Bridgewater done to drop his stock?

Dirtyswabby wrote:Have to look at the Tangibles, besides the bad Pro Day what has Bridgewater done to drop his stock?

We just don't know as we're on the outside looking in. He may have bombed the interview process as well. He may not have impressed the coaches who talked directly with him. Maybe they don't like his attitude, maybe they don't think he can be a leader, maybe he's too timid. When they ask him to draw up plays and explain the options / routes maybe he failed miserably. When they talk about pass protections maybe he's clueless.

I'm not saying that's the case, only that I don't know because I'm not there. If he gets drafted #1 overall or even in the top 10 it'll be pretty clear that it was mostly talking heads creating drama around him. If he falls to late round 1 or round 2 then we'll know there was some substance to it.

mmvikes wrote:
So in the end you seem to agree with my "obnoxious" comment. I fully agree that Mayock knows more than us fans despite what we think. He is not however an NFL coach, GM, or part of any team's personnel staff. I doubt any teams are drafting based on his evaluations. That is my point. Not ripping the poster.

I mean Mayock could be right about Bridgewater, but if you think Bridgewater is worth that risk, I believe you should go for it regardless. It's just that Mayock is a respected analyst around the NFL. If there's one person you'd want to read an article on about a certain prospect from, it'd be Mayock. He really does his homework.

King James wrote: Don't be obnoxious. Mayock usually has a good eye for evaluating draft prospects. He gets to see these guys game film and often in person so I think he probably knows more than us about Bridgewater than we fans do.

That being said. If we don't take Teddy. I have to agree with what another poster said. I really don't want Bortles or Carr. But if we take a QB in the 1st round who name is not Teddy Bridgewater, I rather have Johnny Manziel as well. Even though I don't like him either. I think he may be a better option than Bortles. I hope we can still get Teddy though. I doubt Bridgewater will really fall to the second round though, despite what Mayock thinks.

Mayock also loved Gabbert. Above Newton. Mayock doesn't have a strong record with scouting QBs (like most everyone). He's great for other positions, but the Mayock isn't a QB guru.

mondry wrote: We just don't know as we're on the outside looking in. He may have bombed the interview process as well. He may not have impressed the coaches who talked directly with him. Maybe they don't like his attitude, maybe they don't think he can be a leader, maybe he's too timid. When they ask him to draw up plays and explain the options / routes maybe he failed miserably. When they talk about pass protections maybe he's clueless.

I'm not saying that's the case, only that I don't know because I'm not there. If he gets drafted #1 overall or even in the top 10 it'll be pretty clear that it was mostly talking heads creating drama around him. If he falls to late round 1 or round 2 then we'll know there was some substance to it.

I guess this is the point im trying to make. We have no idea what the coach's and GM's big boards look like, and I don't think they are going to tip their hands to the analysts. Last year the Analysts got blown out of the water, so many of them were horribly wrong on draft day im surprised some of them still have jobs.

Unless Cleveland takes manziel I don't think a QB will be drafted prior to our pick (obviously that does not take into account any trades made) but if that is the case I think we should wait for a QB and draft D with our 1st pick. I like Mosley or Dennard at 8 and then depending on how the rest of the round plays out.....its possible that Bridgewater may fall and still be there for us to trade back into the late 1st round and get him then. I would jump up and down for that to play out.

radar55 wrote:Unless Cleveland takes manziel I don't think a QB will be drafted prior to our pick (obviously that does not take into account any trades made) but if that is the case I think we should wait for a QB and draft D with our 1st pick. I like Mosley or Dennard at 8 and then depending on how the rest of the round plays out.....its possible that Bridgewater may fall and still be there for us to trade back into the late 1st round and get him then. I would jump up and down for that to play out.

The problem with this theory is that if every skips a QB in the top 10 they are all going to look to pick up the QB they have in mind later. Which means the chances of getting our guy is still just as slim. I would rather take our QB @ 8 then have to waste picks getting back into the first round to get our guy. Draft Bortles or Bridgewater, or Manziel and have them ride the pine behind Cassel till they are ready.

Dirtyswabby wrote: The problem with this theory is that if every skips a QB in the top 10 they are all going to look to pick up the QB they have in mind later. Which means the chances of getting our guy is still just as slim. I would rather take our QB @ 8 then have to waste picks getting back into the first round to get our guy. Draft Bortles or Bridgewater, or Manziel and have them ride the pine behind Cassel till they are ready.

I understand our need to get a QB but all of the QB's coming out have issues (depending on who you talk to) so there really is not one that can be considered better than another and when picking in the top ten I would rather not reach (AGAIN) when there are other positions of need that can be filled with players that are more likely to pan out as top 10 talent than the QB's available. just my opinion.

I still think Bridgewater is the best QB prospect in this draft. Can't really explain it, just my hunch. I like Manziel too, but I'm not sure he'll get along well with our coaching staff.

Regardless, I think if Teddy is there you take him. We need a QB of the future and we can do a heck of a lot worse than a prospect like Bridgewater.

Obviously depends on who else is there... I wonder if we'll trade down. Thursday will be interesting for sure.

mondry wrote:We just don't know as we're on the outside looking in. He may have bombed the interview process as well. He may not have impressed the coaches who talked directly with him. Maybe they don't like his attitude, maybe they don't think he can be a leader, maybe he's too timid. When they ask him to draw up plays and explain the options / routes maybe he failed miserably. When they talk about pass protections maybe he's clueless.

I'm not saying that's the case, only that I don't know because I'm not there. If he gets drafted #1 overall or even in the top 10 it'll be pretty clear that it was mostly talking heads creating drama around him. If he falls to late round 1 or round 2 then we'll know there was some substance to it.

Most of this can actually be discounted. I think it's fair to say there's no problems with his personality as he's a very likable person and all of his teamates and coaches love him. His football intelligence has been attested to by his former coaches who said he learned there playbook shorter than any QB they've had, and also by John Gruden who said on QB camp that Teddy's Football knowledge is top 5 all time of people he's had on the show. Teddy was one of the few college QB's who called his own line protections so I also think we can rule that out.

The problems I think can be Narrowed down to 3 main things: Quiet personality, Small hands/Gloves, and Slight Frame.

I feel his Quiet personality is the biggest concern for teams. If he's a 1st round pick He'll likely be asked to come in at some point his rookie year and take command of a group of alpha males. Which will be difficult for him no doubt, especially if he struggles early. Also franchise QB's can't be afraid to get after lineman or recievers if they aren't doing there job right, again something Teddy may struggle with.

Small hands/Gloves is basically 1.b. as far as concern for teams go. Of the teams in the draft that Need a QB almost all of them play outdoors. And of those that play outdoors a good portion play in areas of the country that are subject to inclement weather in the later months of the season. Teddy has said he doesn't wear his gloves in rain or snow. This causes for great concern when combined with what he showed throwing without the glove in his pro day. It's also cause for concern that to win a superbowl he could possibly have to play 2-3 games outside in bad weather. Small hands also lead to more fumbles.

Slight Frame is also cause for concern but I think significantly less than the other two. I think teams who are overly concerned with the first two will use this as another reason to distance themselves from Teddy even further. I think it'd be a concern if he was running a lot like RG3, but he doesn't and he's proven to be a tough SOB with taking the hit in the florida game while completing the pass and instantly looking downfield to see if he completed the pass, or when he wasn't supposed to play vs. Rutgers but told coach to put him in even with a bum ankle and a broken wrist and led his team to victory.

Even with some of the concerns I think teams have with Teddy I think he has a chance to be a franchise QB. The no gloves in bad weather thing genuinely scares me, especially come play off time. but I think He's proven to be an extremely accurate and football savvy QB. I think it'll take him time to become a vocal leader but I think It'll develop along with his play, and the vikings would be an exelent team for him since all of the guys on offense are very mature and would be supportive of Bridgewater while he transitions to be more and more of a leader.

I just got around to watching Gruden's episode with Bridgewater (redux version). Chucky is always over-effusive with his praise, especially when he's sitting down with the guy. He praised Teddy's toughness quite a lot and it seems substantiated. What concerns me are his comments towards the end regarding his accuracy needing to improve.