We still have a chance

[CalVike]

Denny Green used to talk about breaking the season into quarters. I don't know about everyone else but I will feel a lot better about 2014 if we can turn the 1-3 and 0-4 that started this season into a 2-2 and/or a 3-1 in the latter half season. It may not happen, I accept that, but it's better to put some wins together, in terms of how a franchise functions. No one comes out of 2-14 looking good.


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[PurpleKoolaid]

Sad... it really disappoints me to see so many people with this attitude.

It does me too. Like a good pick or the first pick automatically means something. There isn't a #1 QB even. I complain more then most here but I love to watch my vikes win. Lets the other stuff fall where it may.

[majorm]

Thanks! That's a really nice thing to say.
Of course not but I'm really just talking about attitude. There are fans who gave up and starting rooting for draft position a month ago. I still see value in winning.
You're heart is where your your heart is... I understand that. However, if I'm reading you correctly, you're looking at things in terms of the bottom line win/loss total while I'd argue that's not the only indication of the kind of real progress you mentioned above. Improved performance from the o-line, from Rhodes and Robinson, Patterson, Floyd, Fusco and even everybody's favorite player, Christian Ponder, could all help the team make real progress toward restoring Vikings pride. Every one of those players could help the Vikes win games in the future (even if Ponder only does so as a backup) and, in fact, if the team is going to get back to respectability and winning sooner rather than later, they're going to need some of those players to be good, to learn what it takes to be part of a winning team in the NFL. In that sense, winning 5 or 6 games instead of 2 could make a positive difference because if they're going to win, it will require better performances from some players who will be a part of the team next year too. Their progress is a step toward reaching the ultimate goal. It's not just about finding a QB. In the end, that's just one more step in the process, albeit an important one.

Ha, ha! My friend, you are actually swaying me a bit. Terrific point about trying to instill that winning attitude in some of these young guys. You're right. Rhodes, Floyd, Patterson, etc. are going to be guys the Vikings will be counting on in the future and it might do a lot for them to win a few more games this season. Maybe not Ponder so much.

We'll see what happens. It does seem there's no quit in this team which is good. I may be hoping to get in position to get a difference maker in the draft but I do NOT want to see this team go 1984 on us. I want them to be competitive. And I'll tell you what; if they could somehow find a way to be close to Seattle near the end of that game, I can't imagine I'll be doing anything other than rooting for them to win. That's what has been in my heart since 1970 and it's oh so hard to get it out of there isn't it.

[majorm]

perfect post

But QB is the #1 need on this team. #1! Wherever you draft, you need to look at a QB first, and whoever you think the top guy is, you take him if he's available. Unless you're sure he'll be available to you later. And how can you be sure of that?

And EVERY QB is "questionable" when you draft him. There is no way of knowing for sure if he's going to be a stud or a dud.

You can not seriously tell me that if the top rated QB is sitting there when the Vikings pick AND the top rated O-lineman is there, they should take the lineman???

[Mothman]

Ha, ha! My friend, you are actually swaying me a bit. Terrific point about trying to instill that winning attitude in some of these young guys. You're right. Rhodes, Floyd, Patterson, etc. are going to be guys the Vikings will be counting on in the future and it might do a lot for them to win a few more games this season. Maybe not Ponder so much.

LOL! I threw him in there just for you. I'm glad I was able to sway you a little.

We'll see what happens. It does seem there's no quit in this team which is good. I may be hoping to get in position to get a difference maker in the draft but I do NOT want to see this team go 1984 on us. I want them to be competitive. And I'll tell you what; if they could somehow find a way to be close to Seattle near the end of that game, I can't imagine I'll be doing anything other than rooting for them to win. That's what has been in my heart since 1970 and it's oh so hard to get it out of there isn't it.

Yes, it's almost impossible!

I'm greedy. I want wins and a franchise QB in the 2014 draft.

[majorm]

I'm greedy. I want wins and a franchise QB in the 2014 draft.

There ya go! I'm okay with that!

[The Breeze]

But QB is the #1 need on this team. #1! Wherever you draft, you need to look at a QB first, and whoever you think the top guy is, you take him if he's available. Unless you're sure he'll be available to you later. And how can you be sure of that?

And EVERY QB is "questionable" when you draft him. There is no way of knowing for sure if he's going to be a stud or a dud.

You can not seriously tell me that if the top rated QB is sitting there when the Vikings pick AND the top rated O-lineman is there, they should take the lineman???

I am not telling anyone that. I am saying that you have to build a team to win a superbowl. You can't ignore or take desperate swings the QB position like we seem to have done and you can't skimp on the rest of the team just because you have a stud QB....much like the Manning Colts and the Rodgers Packers have done.

The Giants have won as many superbowls with Eli as the other two combined and it's not because he's a better QB. They have fielded better all around teams with defenses and running games that balance their attacks.

Manning was taken with the #1 pick while Eli and Rodgers fell into their respective teams laps. I just don't want this franchise to get set back another 3-4 years because they reach for a QB who can't cut the mustard. So, even if they have to hire someone outside the organization to consult, they have to grab a guy that fits and be clear that a QB is not a fix all for this teams issues.

[Eli]

So, even if they have to hire someone outside the organization to consult, they have to grab a guy that fits and be clear that a QB is not a fix all for this teams issues.

Do any NFL personnel departments do that? It's difficult to imagine that the big heads who make the bad picks year in and year out on many teams would actually seek outside advice.

[The Breeze]

Do any NFL personnel departments do that? It's difficult to imagine that the big heads who make the bad picks year in and year out on many teams would actually seek outside advice.

I have no idea....but it wouldn't bother me a bit if they hired Dilfer or some other ex QB who has turned analyst nerd, for a couple of sessions before the draft starts.

Like you, I doubt there's much room for outside egos. Just thinking outside the box....

[chicagopurple]

If there IS one thing to be gained by further victories this year, it would have to be creating a killers instinct in the young guys. I think we NEED some nastiness. Not showboating, Not dirty plays....but the old school, hit em so they remember you, kinda of thinking. You would think that Singltary would have accomplished this but I think he really wants to be a preacher not a coach. Our division isnt really that way anymore, JA and Suh are the only guys even close to the old school Steeler/Raiders types. We may not win many more games this year but all our opponents ought to spend the next week having nasty flash backs of a purple mob of killers......

[PsyDanny]

If there IS one thing to be gained by further victories this year, it would have to be creating a killers instinct in the young guys. I think we NEED some nastiness. Not showboating, Not dirty plays....but the old school, hit em so they remember you, kinda of thinking. You would think that Singltary would have accomplished this but I think he really wants to be a preacher not a coach. Our division isnt really that way anymore, JA and Suh are the only guys even close to the old school Steeler/Raiders types. We may not win many more games this year but all our opponents ought to spend the next week having nasty flash backs of a purple mob of killers......

Maybe our own Harrison Smith?

[Eli]

JA and Suh are the only guys even close to the old school Steeler/Raiders types.

Jared Allen??? With his little sack dance? He isn't worthy of sniffing L.C. Greenwood's jock strap.

our opponents ought to spend the next week having nasty flash backs of a purple mob of killers

The one thing that purple mob had that this assemblage of stiffs does not is _talent_. It's not about killer instinct.

[Mothman]

If there IS one thing to be gained by further victories this year, it would have to be creating a killers instinct in the young guys. I think we NEED some nastiness. Not showboating, Not dirty plays....but the old school, hit em so they remember you, kinda of thinking.

Did you see the hit Raymond delivered to break up a pass during the Dallas game? I'd say that fits your description.

[PurpleMustReign]

Did you see the hit Raymond delivered to break up a pass during the Dallas game? I'd say that fits your description.

Yep. I think Sendejo has hit like that too... He just needs to learn to bring the ball carrier down when he hits them.

[Purple bruise]

So, a "show of hands". Which of you will be sitting in front of a tv and rooting and hoping for the Vikings to lose not only this week but the last 7 games Keeping that in mind, by extension, those same people will be watching the Vikes play the Packers and Bears and be rooting for them to beat the Vikings.
I certainly willl be rooting for the Vikes all the way