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Demi wrote: Everything points to him simply not wanting to play for the Vikings. No mention of money. Just him, and his wife, not wanting anything to do with the team anymore. Maybe something happened behind the scenes. We keep hearing about some front office members and the commissioners exempt list. Maybe there was more involved from the Vikings in the whole thing that the media hasn't gotten a hold of?

That's certainly the implication of his comments.

Texas Vike wrote:
I feel the same way. Just a few weeks ago I was good with everything and wanted him to remain with us. Now? I'd like to start a new chapter without him. My opinion of him has dropped so low that I'd really just like to move on.

Mothman wrote: That's certainly the implication of his comments.

Both from yesterday:

Albert Breer ✔ @AlbertBreer

The issue for Adrian Peterson is Kevin Warren. That the Vikings promoted him to COO was and is a problem. And so Peterson still wants out.

Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanfora

If AP ends up back in MIN it's only because it's only way to earn the $13M he's due to make this season. He's long wanted out. Status quo.

I say trade him to Jacksonville foe their 2nd and 3rd this year and their 2nd next year. Somehow move up or back in the first and grab Melvin gordon. Hell if we lose ap draft Gordon at 11 if they need to. That guy is gonna be the real deal I think. He needs to go at this point. Would rather see him go to jaguars than anywhere else.

Texas Vike wrote:
I feel the same way. Just a few weeks ago I was good with everything and wanted him to remain with us. Now? I'd like to start a new chapter without him. My opinion of him has dropped so low that I'd really just like to move on.

The funny part about this is that Peterson has not said a word to the media in the last few weeks and yet we're all starting to have these negative feelings toward him. Maybe the reports from these so called 'sources' is just Peterson letting off steam to a few friends. Maybe they are just tactics by his agent to gain leverage. Who knows. Maybe he just doesn't want to play in Minnesota, but that doesn't mean he won't.

808vikingsfan wrote:
The funny part about this is that Peterson has not said a word to the media in the last few weeks and yet we're all starting to have these negative feelings toward him. Maybe the reports from these so called 'sources' is just Peterson letting off steam to a few friends. Maybe they are just tactics by his agent to gain leverage. Who knows. Maybe he just doesn't want to play in Minnesota, but that doesn't mean he won't.

No matter what he says or doesnt say.... we need to trade him. His value is at the highest it will ever be again no matter what. It's better for the future of this franchise. Period.

If Rick manages to turn AP into a mid first rounder and change (whether that is one trade or via draft day dealin) I will consider it a huge victory.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: No matter what he says or doesnt say.... we need to trade him. His value is at the highest it will ever be again no matter what. It's better for the future of this franchise. Period.

I certainly agree his trade value is probably at its highest point right now, but what if AD leads the Vikings to the Super Bowl this year or next year? He's still good enough to make us entertain the thought. We talk about the future like its going to lay out as planned. Knowing the past, we should all know that it never goes as planned. Maybe the future of this team is now? For all we know, Zimmer could leave next year, Bridgewater could suffer a career ending injury, and the 2016 Vikings could be rebuilding all over again. Look what happened to SF in a year. IMO, the Vikings need to persue all reasonable options to get Peterson to suit up in Purple this year.

808vikingsfan wrote: I certainly agree his trade value is probably at its highest point right now, but what if AD leads the Vikings to the Super Bowl this year or next year? He's still good enough to make us entertain the thought. We talk about the future like its going to lay out as planned. Knowing the past, we should all know that it never goes as planned. Maybe the future of this team is now? For all we know, Zimmer could leave next year, Bridgewater could suffer a career ending injury, and the 2016 Vikings could be rebuilding all over again. Look what happened to SF in a year. IMO, the Vikings need to persue all reasonable options to get Peterson to suit up in Purple this year.

And I still disagree. Next year he will be 31 with a $15 million cap hit. $2 million more than this year and he will be a year older. All you're doing is thinking about the next year or two and not the future of this franchise. If we could get legitimate picks or a good player and picks, DO IT!!. You're never going to get that for him again. I don't care if he runs for another 2000 this year. Our team has been being built through the draft over the past few years which makes getting picks that much more valuable.

Granted, he is a one of a kind RB but we could easily find a very good RB in this draft class. Like a Jeremy Hill type player. In turn, we would have a ~22 year old RB owed a few million a year, if that, and have a guy that actually wants to be here.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: And I still disagree. Next year he will be 31 with a $15 million cap hit. $2 million more than this year and he will be a year older. All you're doing is thinking about the next year or two and not the future of this franchise. If we could get legitimate picks or a good player and picks, DO IT!!. You're never going to get that for him again. I don't care if he runs for another 2000 this year. Our team has been being built through the draft over the past few years which makes getting picks that much more valuable.

Granted, he is a one of a kind RB but we could easily find a very good RB in this draft class. Like a Jeremy Hill type player. In turn, we would have a ~22 year old RB owed a few million a year, if that, and have a guy that actually wants to be here.

I agree but only if they can get a decent return for him.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: And I still disagree. Next year he will be 31 with a $15 million cap hit. $2 million more than this year and he will be a year older. All you're doing is thinking about the next year or two and not the future of this franchise. If we could get legitimate picks or a good player and picks, DO IT!!. You're never going to get that for him again. I don't care if he runs for another 2000 this year. Our team has been being built through the draft over the past few years which makes getting picks that much more valuable.

Granted, he is a one of a kind RB but we could easily find a very good RB in this draft class. Like a Jeremy Hill type player. In turn, we would have a ~22 year old RB owed a few million a year, if that, and have a guy that actually wants to be here.

I know it is hard to believe any of the reports coming out right now, but it sounds like a 2nd rounder is the best we can get at this particular point. I am not happy about the way APs agent is trying to play this out, but AP is worth far more to us than a 2nd rounder. I think most of us believe AP could easily go 1500 yds this upcoming season or even have another of his monster years as he is playing to impress the teams he allegedly wants to play for. If that happens the talk of 30 year old Adrian will go away. The talk will be that 30 years of age is not a barrier to the freak of nature Peterson. His value will go up or at least remain the same and we get his presence for next year which will take more pressure off Teddy as he progresses. I have no problem with a trade if Rick can get at least a 1st rounder, (which is a stretch) but anything less, he is more valuable to the Vikings than a second rounder.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:And I still disagree. Next year he will be 31 with a $15 million cap hit. $2 million more than this year and he will be a year older. All you're doing is thinking about the next year or two and not the future of this franchise.

The next year or two is part of the franchise's future.

If we could get legitimate picks or a good player and picks, DO IT!!. You're never going to get that for him again. I don't care if he runs for another 2000 this year. Our team has been being built through the draft over the past few years which makes getting picks that much more valuable. Granted, he is a one of a kind RB but we could easily find a very good RB in this draft class. Like a Jeremy Hill type player. In turn, we would have a ~22 year old RB owed a few million a year, if that, and have a guy that actually wants to be here.

There's no one, "right'" answer to this situation and it's obvious that people have made made a mountain of assumptions about it, which in turn colors perceptions. Trading Peterson could pay off. Keeping him could pay off. Either move could prove to be a mistake as well. There's no way to know.

What pick couldn't be described as a "legitimate pick"? At some point, the actual return in a trade has to be a serious consideration and it's unclear that the Vikes could receive a return that would justify trading Peterson.

It's a frustrating situation, all the more so because we don't have a very clear picture of what's actually going on behind the scenes, but unfortunately, we have no choice but to watch it play out and it's probably going to keep playing out for a while.

Funkytown wrote:Both from yesterday:
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If that's the case then, as I've said before, I suspect the real problem is between Peterson and ownership because whatever Warren did, he almost certainly did it with the support of ownership, something that was basically confirmed by his promotion.

Mothman wrote: If that's the case then, as I've said before, I suspect the real problem is between Peterson and ownership because whatever Warren did, he almost certainly did it with the support of ownership, something that was basically confirmed by his promotion.

That's the end all for my assumptions too, as well as to add that dealing with sponsors is most likely what motivated the whole maneuver in the first place. I would think that Peterson would be able to have some idea of the unfortunate necessity of that aspect....assuming it's been explained to him. I can't really imagine another legit motivation by ownership. It was/has been a huge PR hit and the people in the front office have been walking a thin line throughout the whole affair. They've actually done a really good job considering, IMO.

Except that they probably hid all of this from AD until after the fact and told him otherwise beforehand. ("we really know, after discussions with sponsors,that we can't let him play this year but we'll continue to let him think differently") ?

If the Wilf's hands were tied, then they were tied. What could they really do? But if they didn't have the balls to let AD know the real deal, I can see why he'd be pissed too. Not because he feels the Vikings own him...but because they lied to him.

Or it may have been more ambiguous in the way it took form and the league office had more of a meddling impact as it evolved.

Either way Peterson's tone is one of having been deeply disrespected...like he was lied right to his face by people he thought close to him. The thin line between love and hate.

some deeply caffeinated speculation there by me.

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I also think ADs value is 50/50. They could wind up with a great pick...they could be in the NFCCG in 2016 with him finishing out his career in Purple. I think they have the pieces for that to potentially happen. So much of the talent in the league is so close. Games are continually won and lost on just a small handful of plays each week. So much is luck, attitude and momentum.

It just sounds more and more like he's is resolved to be gone regardless.


I also am a believer in Jerick McKinnon too

Mothman wrote:

The next year or two is part of the franchise's future.
There's no one, "right'" answer to this situation and it's obvious that people have made made a mountain of assumptions about it, which in turn colors perceptions. Trading Peterson could pay off. Keeping him could pay off. Either move could prove to be a mistake as well. There's no way to know.

What pick couldn't be described as a "legitimate pick"? At some point, the actual return in a trade has to be a serious consideration and it's unclear that the Vikes could receive a return that would justify trading Peterson.

It's a frustrating situation, all the more so because we don't have a very clear picture of what's actually going on behind the scenes, but unfortunately, we have no choice but to watch it play out and it's probably going to keep playing out for a while.

I'm referring to the long term future. It's just a bad situation for this team and it needs to end IMO. I won't rule anything out when it comes to his trade value. Especially after seeing every analyst say we would get a 3rd for Harvin and we end up getting a 1st, 3rd and 7th. The biggest question is: Is AP worth keeping for another year or two? I say no.

I want AD to stay no matter what, a late first or early second doesn't really cut it imo and with his contract and age teams aren't going to offer up a boat load. We got a lot for percy because he was a young player on his rookie deal that looked to be on the rise making it a much different situation.

I'm usually pretty positive but right now I'm really optimistic about our team. I think at 7-9 last year with more experience and Teddy from the get go and AD the whole season that could easily translate into a 10-6 or 11-5 season and a playoff spot with a team that can run the ball and play defense in december / january. Maybe he only has 2 years in him left, but imo that's 2 years where our superbowl chance goes to 0% by trading him to something "considerably" more than 0 with him, he's that type of player.

Put another way, all the other teams in the NFC north will be jumping with joy if we trade AD for what it looks like we can get for him. I don't think anyone should be "hoping" the outcome is to lose AD, if it's the best we can do out of a bad situation then sure but until something happens I'll hope these adults can work something out haha.